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Alpha Two Phase III testing has begun! During this phase, our realms will be open every day, and we'll only have downtime for updates and maintenance. We'll keep everyone up-to-date about downtimes in Discord.
If you have Alpha Two, you can download the game launcher here, and we encourage you to join us on our Official Discord Server for the most up to date testing news.
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You see it in WOW
You see in in DAOC.,,(people lfg for pvp and pve groups in this game, nightly)
Both games have maintained a player base for over 20 years..
It is the challenge that many of us like. Balancing game play between PVP and PVE will encourage people to play both elements of the game...
I do not like unconsual PVP,, If anything this will be the death of this game imo.
Balancing pvp rewards with Pve rewards will encourage both play style to flourish and engage in the game for years.
You handicap one side you lose that player base.
Would be nice to see Feedback on how to Balance the two, vs random word vomit..
You have already proven to me prior that nothing you say makes sense. Exactly because there is no logic.
Isnt it funny as well to whom creates these topics and to the rest of us (actual pvpers) in here giving feedback and somewhat agreeing with each other, meanwhile the same precise ones (you pretenders) are always around ready to harass (i think its proving something), that is even more funny. Also since you are such a pvper you probably have taken loads of objectives and defend them even, you must have done loads of gvgs or duels maybe, you must have quite an elevated sum of players killed, care to provide numbers?
This is why I've been saying that pvp seasons and arena should be the main source of pvp rewards, because that is pure pvp rewards for pure pvpers.
Any open world pvp rewards would usually mean that pvers suffer at the hands of pvpers and/or pvpers abusing the entire reward system by just killing each other over and over to gain said rewards.
And it's difficult to give feedback for season/arena rewards considering we have neither system even nearly implemented. And the stuff that IS kiiinda implemented (i.e. caravans, wars, sieges) barely fucking work and are barely designed. But as soon as they were introduced - people immediately started abusing the everliving fuck out of them (i.e. several GW abuses in the previous phases and one of them that you literally made a thread about).
We could come up with 10 different ways to properly reward people in interesting ways, but Intrepid won't give 2 shits about it. Steven said he wants complaints - not ideas. So here we are, all complaining that the current design is shit. Hopefully something will come out of that complaining.
ARENAS are OK! But nothing is better than open area pvp.. Getting ganked or out numbered sucks... But pulling out a win , when your out numbered by equally geared players.,Not much feels better in game imo
Saving someone from getting ran over by that group of guys ganking people is pretty fun to.. Many cool situations come up on open field pvp that you just can not get arenas.. Hoping to see this style of game play in AOC.. Running out to face the unknown.. Problem is without a reward system people will not open field pvp.. Everything in game needs a carrot attached to it, or will be short lived. If not balanced with other aspects of the game, I fear it will fail to..
Daoc had issue with people farming each other in PVP for rewards. It was addressed and fixed. If a dam game 20 years old can control it, I would hope AOC could.. but you gave more than a few valid points..
Unconsual PVP sucks
Not even gonna lie, if you 3 are gone that will be a blessing 🤣
Surprise surprise another pver
OOF the gaslight goes strong with this one, he been preaching this all over any remotely similar threads in the forum, from what i have gathered in a short time i've been around.
I spent years fighting other people in L2 for the pve reward I wanted (mainly crafting mats to get gear). And it was fun as fuck. But none of that pvp directly rewarded me with anything. The closest thing that could be considered a "direct" reward for purely the pvp part of it all were the guild points gained per kill. And that was ONE POINT per one kill. I could've leveled up an alt and gotten it through the mentorship program to get 650 of those points, so the pvp reward barely ever mattered.
How did they control it?
Intrepid could benefit from that info for the, fucking hopefully, good BH design.
They just straight up, took everything from anyone exploiting. They used some type of algorithm to catch and address.. Followed by ban for 2nd offense..
IE AOC , could push toons back to level 1 with no name change available.. Take everything.. 2nd offense ban account.
TL;DR:
That's the intended game design and I doubt they're going to change it in any way.
To borrow your own words: "Before you cry 'they might change it,' " ... just know that the idea of separating PvP and PvE has been met with a resounding "No way" many times. The only exception is the 20% of content that will be instanced, to include both PvP and PvE. For PvP, it is arenas. For PvE, it is story/questing content and maybe those catacombs under Divine settlements that we've barely heard much about as of yet.
Long reply:
With the current stated design, the main risk for literally EVERYTHING (including PvE) is the threat of PvP.
To live in the world, PvP is always on the brink of popping its head up and wrecking your day.
Every system has PvP as an option or the main event. PvP is a heavy component (or the absolute core component) of Guild wars, Settlement wars, Settlement Sieges, arenas, battlegrounds, the harbinger system, caravans, crates, sport fishing, open sea travel/exploration, guild castles, claiming world bosses, claiming raid bosses....the list could go on and on.
The only threats to sanctioned PvP events are:
Wasting your time.
Small amount of gear durability loss.
The threats to unsanctioned PvP are:
Less XP debt and gear durability hit than PvE
Corruption, if you're that kinda person OR an unintended "feature" causes corruption when it shouldn't
We PvE to finish quests for XP or story, with PvP hanging behind us the entire time.
We PvE to find some materials or completed items to drop for gear upgrades, with PvP always a threat.
We work econ via gathering, processing, and crafting, with PvP waiting to pounce and take those material components.
We PvP anytime, anywhere, for any reason. In all of the sanctioned PvP events, there is practically no risk to the PvP initiator outside of wasted time. Gear durability? rarely an issue. XP debt? Never.
PvE players would sacrifice a first born flying mount to have a continually available base of activities that was their preferred playstyle with No risk. I would trade all character progression for that.
Maybe wee both have views biased to our own preferred playstyle, but PvP is absolutely catered to, without ANY doubt. I would level 1-50 twice with exclusively PvP (while naked, if need be) if I got that grand silver platter as a reward at the end of the journey.
If PvP were to be a playstyle that can advance a character, then PvE would have to be allowed to exist without PvP impacting it negatively. Consensual and sanctioned PvP only. That would be true balance, if that is your true goal. Neither playstyle is forced upon the other.
But, as I've had to realize: That is not Ashes of Creation.
Everyone playing must be ok with PvE, PvP, and Econ playstyles all being heavily integrated in their lives.
On the combat side of the playstyles, PvP definitely has the cream of the crop, though.
If I want my PvE activities, I will have to deal with PvP.
If I just want to mindlessly gather to clear my head, I will have to deal with PvP.
If I want to buy a freehold and build a farm, I will have to deal with PvP.
If I want to raid, I will have to deal with PvP.
If I want to just sit in town to process/craft, I STILL might have to deal with PvP.
I've made my peace with all that and moved on. As much as I wish I didn't have to deal with PvP at any and all times in any and all activities, that is the core of the "PvX" label that has been placed on Ashes.
Now I just gotta finish adjusting myself to that lifestyle and know it's not going to change. I think I'm already happier for it, though I still do let my opinions be known from time to time.
Imagine reading, instead of just rambling nonsense then, IF YOU HAD, thats precisely what some of us are asking for, in wvw or even pvp (arenas) we would get points/currency (by simply playing the game mode, which means take stuff or defend it or kill players (and not just exclusive to guilds it was to anyone)) which then we could spend to get gear/weapons/trinkets even siege.
You take a couple friends (let alone an entire guild) and just kill each other over and over again until you farm your entire reward list and then easily dunk on anyone who hasn't done this.
Those L2 guild points btw - only used for guild skills. Those were still quite useful, but nowhere near literal gear for each member.
If you think this abuse can be stopped or prevented somehow (outside of GMs somehow properly figuring out who's abusing this system) - do put them in the comments. I'm sure Intrepid will appreciate it.
In other words, for all those who keep bringing up WvW as if it's a good comparison to Ashes - it's not. The closest thing you'll have to WvW is the sieges. And those are a part of the seasonal pvp rewards and will also have their own rewards based on who gets the castle/node.
In other words, we'll literally have this "mode" already and all the pvpers will be able to benefit from it. Hell, I'm one of the very few people on these forums who's been asking for an unlimited siege roster, because that's how L2 worked and that's how you can get as many pvpers enjoying this system as possible. A2 has already shown that the elite guilds will push everyone out of the sieges and you won't participate in shit.
In other words, I keep being fucking right each god damn time I bring up L2, because L2 literally did everything that Ashes claims it wants to do, but better. And it did it back in two thousand fucking four. Constant pvp between guilds, some corruption here and there, fights over farm spots, incredible sieges with a shitton of people, pvp rewards from arenas/gws/sieges, pvx rewards from pve for everything else. AND NO FUCKING LAWLESS ZONES.
The thing is, this game is built as much for "actual PvP'ers" as it is for "actual PvE'ers".
That is to say, it isn't built for either.
LIES siege wars are instances, caravans you need to join, node wars it will be just kill points as in any flagging up situation
More lies 😆you keep nonstop showing how clueless you are, amazing. (nonstop showing how much of a pvper you are 🤣) Maybe you should consider do some research (took me a good while to get an entire set of gear, and that is depending of the tier, the better the more points it is for each)
What abuse? there is not even any pvp happening....
I dont recall Orgrimmar being able to be destroyed via PvP in WoW.
Or, more specifically to the point, WoW and DAoC don't have one aspect of the ggame doing A, and the other doing A and B. Rather, each game only has A, and B basically doesn't exist (DAoC partially has B, but only partially).
Trying to compare them is just a bad idea.
I didn't make videos and didn't take screenshots during my L2 days, and it's obvious that you don't believe even a single word I say, so why even try and say that I had a ton of pvp there, especially considering that I've literally said so countless times already.
I keep thinking that your reading comprehension is real bad.
I keep saying "seasonal pvp will give rewards" (even outside of the innate reward of the activity itself). Yall keep saying "yeah, we want rewards for that pvp".
And several people have said "lawless zones should give pvp-related rewards". And that is literally "open world pvp rewards". And I say that THOSE will be abused - not the instanced stuff or pvp events (though events have already been abused in A2).
Are you talking about GW or A2? Does A2 give gear rewards for pvp right now?
I'm talking about the results of what's being asked for, not what's happening in the game right now, because we're discussing suggestions for the future of the game.
Again, you're talking about current A2, when the entire discussion is about "what should be done to change the current situation" and I'm discussing the potential results of suggested changes, basing those results on preestablished examples from A2 itself.
When wars in A2 gave out tangible rewards - guilds abused them IMMEDIATELY. When GWs provide the reward of "wardec dudes, kill them quickly, loot their stuff in town, drop the guild" - guilds are exploiting that RIGHT NOW (according to Gard that is).
So either YOU are not playing the game, or Gard is lying.
Oh you keep trying to make sense! keep working on that maybe one day you will eventually get there.
Yeah its a separate instance and yeah kinda like the sieges (wars) and yes limited participants because you know lag is real.
[Starts to be more than obvious some people in this forum like to think they rule around in here and are above others, so therefore the rest must not provide feedback and suggestions because they know better (the typicals I know it all)]
The guilds taking over does suck gotta agree on that.
Steven and Intrepid are not making a replica of L2 (yes they may have taken influence over some systems from there, yet your delulu brain cant process that they did never claim it would be the exact same)
Wrong again
BUT GREAT feedback on how to Balance the two..
I know they are not, because they've already fucked up anything good they did take from L2
I always suggest things according to the original vision of the game. Sadly Steven has 180'ed his own vision so much that all of my suggestions now go against his own initial design.
And what's even sadder is that his 180 has already pushed away thousands upon thousands of people. And will keep pushing them away, if they go even deeper into this direction (which they sure as hell seem to be doing).
Well same and yes you are correct, yet there is a site that registers your account activity (at least for gw2 there is)
Yeah nobody is asking for seasonal pvp rewards... (also i think it become quite obvious most dont care what you say go figure why)
gw2 and no hence why the threads are here
Oh you are a seer (fortune-teller)!?
Funny that cuz you did admit you didnt play phase3
Mate the gaslight doesnt work on me give up, and dont try glaze harassment as just mere comments 😆
Now if you dont mind i actually got more to do.
You are mistaken if you think my replies to your posts are directed towards you.
No such thing as gaslighting.
All of my gameplay happened on private servers that are long gone. And I've already talked about what will happen with non-seasonal stuff.
You keep saying that, yet yall keep replying to my comments.
I simply saw what has already happened in A2 when stuff, similar to what's being asked for in threads like this, was implemented.
Even funnier that it's not me who's saying that guilds are abusing the GW system through pvp, yet you claim that there's no pvp.
I got 0 damn clue what any of this even means.
Still not directed at you - though this post is.
Other people read these forums. The comment about gaslighting is an in joke that you have zero chance of understanding.
Interact here much....Lol....Would you?
TOXIC ASF
Ikr and its always the same individuals, acting like they own this (i do rather if there was a personal feedback option as existed in bg3, so we were not forced to interact with such degenerated individuals)
again
btw you are not the brightest bulb around in here as you evidently consider yourself
What you assume oh yes our local seer besides clown
IF ONLY you would stop harassing and gaslighting people, you pretty much in every single thread
Defo not the only one claiming that but ok
Imagine if you did... (as if there isnt even enough evidences of any of it or anything)
So no proof whatsoever of it got it 👍
There was nothing of such implement (stop the cap with the gaslight)
Plus my guy you been evidently nolifing in here, but you know i actually got more to do than give your insignificant existence attention, so anyways we have talked all what there was to be said.
So, by your own logic, you're a bullshitter bigger than me, because I'm not claiming to be playing the game or to be pvping in it rn, while you are, yet you haven't proven shit.
Real sad.
Sad too.