The summoner/Necromancer

What do you want with your "Pet"?
If its humanoid id like to be able to equip it items. the whole nine yards. min maxing my character and another at the same time might be a tad much but it sounds like fun to me.

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Devorandom

I just really want to control a horde of undead, or as close to that as is possible. Equipping the summons would be interesting but I feel like that would be really hard to balance. Either it would be too strong or too weak. But it could be interesting to have a profession based around pet/summon equipment, but that sounds like an idea for expansions.

nick10281

i dont want the GW 2 Necromancer. honestly i want the npc creation from Overlord where you can make them and customize them as much as you want. i would make my own dungeons then. Make my crafting skill go way up high to make valid rewards. etc etc

Varkun

devorandom wrote: »

I just really want to control a horde of undead, or as close to that as is possible. Equipping the summons would be interesting but I feel like that would be really hard to balance. Either it would be too strong or too weak. But it could be interesting to have a profession based around pet/summon equipment, but that sounds like an idea for expansions.

Well it has been confirmed there will be barding and other equipable crafted items for mounts and I think even for pets so why not summons too it's not that far of a stretch. Mounts and pets can be summoned from your backpack so why not with a summoners creatures as well. Can a summoner have different types of summons and the ability to customize them with both gear and attributes.

Jjampong

Horde of undead here too please

Amist

Undead stufferton (Sufferton)

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Jk the alive one is way more frightening and immersionbreaking

Bloodless

I really like the idea of the way necromancer worked in Diablo 2 except with some extra spice. Kill an enemy and bring them back. That creature remains your pet for a certain period of time. Maybe you can only bring back dead enemies who were already living and are only of a certain quality. For instance, you couldn't raise a dragon from the dead because it's legendary, but maybe you can bring back a corrupted dwarf that you killed and it retains all of its abilities before death. To me, this would make summoner unique because every summoner would have a different summoned pet. I think this could be really fun in PvP, to raise the corpse of a slain PC and they're your pet for a while.

Damokles

I think that summons will be expendable most of the time....
Equipping them would be a bit too op in my opinion xD
Imagine, a summoner with full equipped summons would have the fighting force of a full team (depending of how many summons you are actually capable of sumoning at once)

Also Necromancers are Summoner/Cleric i believe, so i would think that their summons can explode, healing allies and damaging enemies.

Wandering Mist

I'm not too worried about that kind of thing. All I care about is that the pet controls are responsive, allowing proper micromanagement of the pet. This can make a huge difference in how the pet class feels.

Azryil

I would like to see the pet be the primary source of damage for summoners and have many of the summoners abilities be used for managing the pets through commands to attack and buffs to empower pets in various ways.

Damokles

@wanderingmist you should worry about proper pathfinding for the minions ;D
(And what else then passive, agressive, defensive would you need for your pet control?)

Azryil

Damokles wrote: »

And what else then passive, agressive, defensive would you need for your pet control?

Attack a specific target, move to a specific location, player control of pet abilities rather than auto-cast.

Rem_

Didn't Steven mention in the live stream that he wants you to really be able to customize your pet? I think he did~!!!! n.n He mentioned that he wants it to be pretty in depth, so if you have a really unique awesome creation you made people could recognize it's you by the pet you have. Those are almost direct words from him~!!! ^-^ I'm pretty excited honestly, having that many options for your summoner pet instead of just a few preset things...! I love it~!

Atama

Varkun wrote: »

devorandom wrote: »

I just really want to control a horde of undead, or as close to that as is possible. Equipping the summons would be interesting but I feel like that would be really hard to balance. Either it would be too strong or too weak. But it could be interesting to have a profession based around pet/summon equipment, but that sounds like an idea for expansions.

Well it has been confirmed there will be barding and other equipable crafted items for mounts and I think even for pets so why not summons too it's not that far of a stretch. Mounts and pets can be summoned from your backpack so why not with a summoners creatures as well. Can a summoner have different types of summons and the ability to customize them with both gear and attributes.

The question is whether or not those items are cosmetic only. I suspect that they are. So if the desire is to equip pets with gear that improves their stats, I’m not sure that’s going to be in the game.

Nagash

The summoner is one of the must important classes to me in this game but if I was going to build be necro summon list it would be like this

Summon grave guard
The Grave Guard, or Wights as they are sometimes called, are the Undead corpses of long-past heroes and warlords that have been arisen from their graves with a partial flicker of the original soul trapped within, allowing the Undead to fight the enemies of the Necromancer that raised them with the skills and tools of his former life

Summon a skeleton warrior form any corpses around you. For every ten levels, you may summon an additional grave guard

Summon table
Rouges- grave guard assassin. Twin dagger with high crit but low health with stealth
Tank- grave guard spear and shield- heavy armour and tower shield but low damage
Cleric - grave guard healer- Can heal undead or poison living enemies
Fighter- grave guard greatsword- high damage and high health but light armour
Ranger - grave guard crossbowmen - medium damage but can penetrate armour

Ultimate Skill

Summon Wight king
Wight Kings were once ancient and immensely powerful warlords that had at one time occupied the lands of Verra. When imbued with dark magic, these ancient warlords rise from their crypts as Wight Kings, eyes glowing with unnatural life.

You may summon a wright king to lead your troops into war. He has medium damage and high armour and high health. Give a 5% reduction in all damage to all undead and the summoner

this is my dream but its unlikely to ever happen

Damokles

@nagash seems a bit op in my opinion ;D
I mean if that came true, that would make summoner really op xD

Nagash wrote: »

Summon grave guard:
The Grave Guard, or Wights as they are sometimes called, are the Undead corpses of long-past heroes and warlords that have been arisen from their graves with a partial flicker of the original soul trapped within, allowing the Undead to fight the enemies of the Necromancer that raised them with the skills and tools of his former life

Summon a skeleton warrior form any corpses around you. For every ten levels, you may summon an additional grave guard

Summon table
Rouges- grave guard assassin. Twin dagger with high crit but low health with stealth
Tank- grave guard spear and shield- heavy armour and tower shield but low damage
Cleric - grave guard healer- Can heal undead or poison living enemies
Fighter- grave guard greatsword- high damage and high health but light armour
Ranger - grave guard crossbowmen - medium damage but can penetrate armour

That seems a bit strong^^ Lets assume that max level will be indeed lvl50, that would mean that a summoner in this case could summon around 5 adds(extra classes) without them counting into the group size. That would mean that a max level full summoner group would be at max 40 man strong unit. In a raid that would be 200 players/adds.

I think that a balanced skill set would be (if we are having around 5 class specific spells + the environment ability + ultimate in this case):

Environment - Absorbing Miasma
The Necromancer consumes the surrounding toxic fumes and converts them into a shield around all of his allies.

Ultimate - Form: Death and Decay
The Necromancer shrouds himself in a thick layer of miasma, enhancing his lifeforce and recieving the ability to use his hp as a mana substitute.
Periodically pulses a wave of misama around the caster, infecting all enemies around him with a stacking sickness, and enhancing all damage done by the necromancer and his summons by a flat amount.

Endow Life: Undeath
Raises dead adds in the vicinity into undead minions. These minions will fight for the summoner for 1min or until they die again.
When they die the undead minions explode into bone shards, inflicting the enemies around them with bleeding and a stacking sickness. (undead minions once killed, cant be raised again)

Blood Well
The Necromancer summons a well under him, slowly consuming the mana of allies standing in it, while healing them.
All allies standing in the well recieve a resistance buff against physical and magical damage.

Stolen Time
The Necromancer can kill all of his minions at once, healing himself and all of his surrounding allies.

Never ending Swamp
The Necromancer summons a swamp at the point of his choosing within 30m around him. All enemies in reach will be pulled into the middle of the swamp and then slowed. Every second inside of the swamp infects them with a stacking sickness.

Umbral Balance
The Necromancer infects his allies and himself with a beneficial sickness, which balances the amount of mana with each of the inflicted allies for a certain amount of time.

(All of these spells are flipped abilities from the Cleric that we have already seen ingame in demonstrations, all of these are most likely not in the game anymore but oh well^^)
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Cleric

Nagash

I did say It would never happen

Ferryman

I presume that we will see mix of permanent and temporary pets. On top of that it would be nice to have short summons which are more like spells, and maybe some summons could possess the caster.

Wandering Mist

Damokles wrote: »

@wanderingmist you should worry about proper pathfinding for the minions ;D
(And what else then passive, agressive, defensive would you need for your pet control?)

Over the past couple of months I've been playing the summoner class in FFXIV and I eventually gave it up, as micromanaging the pet was too much of a headache. Each summoner pet has 4 unique abilities, but you can only control 3 of them (1 is always done automatically). The problem is that the pet AI is programmed to always finish whatever ability it is casting before it can cast the next spell. This means that if say you want your pet to use any of their other abilities, you have to wait until it has finished the auto casting spell first (there is a 1 second time window to do this in).

This is very frustrating to do. For example, the tanking pet has a stun ability that I like to use to interrupt enemy spell casts, but it very rarely works because by the time I can use it, it's too late. This delay also happens if you want to change your pet's target. If the pet is in the middle of casting one of its abilities, it will finish the ability before it changes targets.

Atama

I’ve played pet classes in a lot of games. For me the most successful implementations have always been the ones that required the smallest micromanagement. You set things like aggression level, what skills you want them to use, then they do it all on their own once combat starts. You just control your own character, the pet then just has simple “attack”, “stay”, “follow” sorts of commands. That’s what I’d like to see in this game too.

Wandering Mist

Atama wrote: »

I’ve played pet classes in a lot of games. For me the most successful implementations have always been the ones that required the smallest micromanagement. You set things like aggression level, what skills you want them to use, then they do it all on their own once combat starts. You just control your own character, the pet then just has simple “attack”, “stay”, “follow” sorts of commands. That’s what I’d like to see in this game too.

That's all well and good but when dealing with harder content, being able to get your pet to use their abilities at the right moment is very important. If for example the only CC your class has comes from your pet, you need to ensure it uses that CC at the correct time (AI very rare does this).

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