about those 'oversized swords'

Intrepid isn't a fan of such oversized swords, i still it is a missed opportunity.
An oversized sword can be nice and fun to work with.

it's big and heavy. So attacking would be very slow and powerfull. abilities might need longer time to cast and special abilities and effects can be made for those items.

"strong and big" doesn't mean heavy. With today's tech, specicial and rare metals are used to create ultra light but ultra strong materials. That's a candidate for a legendary sword. Think about aluminium, titanium, niobium and many more light but strong metals.

Maybe to yield such a weapon you need certain level or stats. I do see them having a place in MMO's.

Just my taughts. What do you think?

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Joseline

I dont think they were talking about greatswords when talking about "oversized weapons" but about one handed swords with the size of a greatsword

Plateau

I agree with Intrepid's notion that the giant swords in some MMOs can be too extreme and immersion breaking. But I also think big swords are cool. I mean, who doesn't like big-ass swords? So your idea for rare/legendary items, that maybe are a bit bigger than normal because of advanced materials (or magic or whatever) is an enticing idea.

Big swords shouldn't be the norm, but I think there's room to push that envelope for exceptional weapons.

unknownsystemerror

Not gonna happen.

Azathoth

An axe would make more sense to me, but I'm glad weapons like the ones above won't be seen (supposedly).

noemad

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

Not gonna happen.

Man I hope not.

Atama

No.

Big swords are good.

Ridiculously huge swords that look like they weigh 3 times as much as the wielder are dumb.

“But magic....” No.

Damokles

The problem with oversized swords is that most of the time they end up being semi paddles xD

S3V3NTH

leamese wrote: »

Intrepid isn't a fan of such oversized swords, i still it is a missed opportunity.
An oversized sword can be nice and fun to work with.

it's big and heavy. So attacking would be very slow and powerfull. abilities might need longer time to cast and special abilities and effects can be made for those items.

"strong and big" doesn't mean heavy. With today's tech, specicial and rare metals are used to create ultra light but ultra strong materials. That's a candidate for a legendary sword. Think about aluminium, titanium, niobium and many more light but strong metals.

Maybe to yield such a weapon you need certain level or stats. I do see them having a place in MMO's.

Just my taughts. What do you think?

I was actually thinking the same thing when I watched the live stream. I understand not wanting to put it in the game but it is a missed opportunity; and the excuse that it breaks immersion is "BS" to me. You can have magic, magical flying mounts, orcs, and elves but you can't rock a over sized sword because it breaks immersion and isn't realistic? There are tons of things in game that break immersion, just look at catfall boots. Why cant I apply that same magic to a half ton body slitter?

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

Not gonna happen.

I am not saying this should happen but how are they going to stop people from make dwarfed size characters and wielding a great sword that is already in game. Unless they force all weapons to scale to the character's size or add some type of limit system that will not allow characters of smaller sizes to wield specific sized weapons, this could totally be a thing. As another example, say I am that dwarfed sized character and I kill a corrupted person 3 times my height on a bounty and loot there gear. As a result, I am able to gain the great sword that person was wielding, if they force the sword to scale to my size, would that not break immersion as well or will i look like the above

Azathoth

I think in some regards, being a Western MMO, this is an opportunity to not look like an Eastern MMO as not implementing over sized swords is easy to do. There will likely be a variety of weapons, some more common than not, unrepresented in Ashes. That's okay, not every possible weapon needs to be in the game. As a Castlevania fan I think having whips would be nice, but I don't expect to see them.

Avoiding typical Anime tropes will help them keep an artistic aesthetic separate from current MMO's. This is, as always, just an opinion.

amuria

Depending on what is seen as oversized I wouldn't write very large swords of the picture.
A Zweihänder can go up to 213cm (84 inches) weighing up to 3.2kg(7.1 pounds) while the human size was declining from 173cm (68.27 inches) to 167cm (65.75 inches).
To give better help to imagine that the sword is around 23-27% taller than you if you lived in that timeframe (1500-1700).
This is of course also a bit questionable since Wikipedia isn't the most credible source but I won't do extensive research for a forum thread so this will suffice. It should be noted since there was only the up to range given the % will be smaller if you find the average Zweihänder size have fun searching.

Point is swords can be fairly big in real-life AOC is very high fantasy so swords might be huge enough for people hoping for them to be happy and not too oversized for people disliking the aesthetic to hate it too much. I wouldn't lock it down to anime fairly sure other genres have similar to the same flaws.

Damokles

@amuria
I think they dont complain about large swords but over oversized swords.

The difference is easy:

Normal large sword:

Oversized Sword:

One is still wieldable with experience, while the other weighs as much as the wielder or even more xD

unknownsystemerror

@uniquelyd
I am not saying this should happen but how are they going to stop people from make dwarfed size characters and wielding a great sword that is already in game. Unless they force all weapons to scale to the character's size or add some type of limit system that will not allow characters of smaller sizes to wield specific sized weapons, this could totally be a thing. As another example, say I am that dwarfed sized character and I kill a corrupted person 3 times my height on a bounty and loot there gear. As a result, I am able to gain the great sword that person was wielding, if they force the sword to scale to my size, would that not break immersion as well or will i look like the above

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They have already said that armor will change to conform to your race. Loot orc armor as a dwarf, equip it and it will become the dwarven equivalent. So it will indeed change shape and size. They did this for various reasons, mainly the clipping issues of trying to match the various armor types to the various body styles. Not a big stretch that a dwarf character wielding an orcish greatsword will find himself holding a toothpick when he waves it around. What a cute little chibi you will be.

Karthos

It's an art choice.

Intrepid is going for a Western Fantasy look, and the big "Buster" swords are very much an Asian art style.

And honestly, this is reason enough for me.

That's what they mean by "immersion breaking". It's jarring to the established art style. It's jarring to the established physics. It jarring to the established aesthetic.

If someone is not going to play this game because they can't swing a 500lb piece of metal around, then they probably would nit-pick other reasons not to play regardless.

flatline

noemad wrote: »

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

Not gonna happen.

Man I hope not.

Dont tease me with a good time

Ravudha

For me, if I can clearly see my weapon, and it looks awesome, and in a crowd of players, the scene of them in armour with all their weapons is visually stunning, then it's a non-issue.

Comes down to the aesthetics. You can simulate weapon swing speed etc. with regular big weapons.

Vanqor

I was incredibly happy when I learned this game would have no anime-looking, oversized weapons. The market is already flooded with these types of games. I understand a lot of people like it, but I don't, and I'm happy Ashes follows the "Western style".

In context of this I also hope the are careful with the use of glowing effects, so that characters don't look like a bunch og christmas trees bunched together. They have said powerful weapons and legendary artifacts in particular will have glowing effects, but fingers crossed they manage to make them look special without overdoing it.

Aundrew

After the latest stream I grow increasingly concerned that weapons armor will be so gaudy as to make nothing seem legendary. Progression and displaying that matters. Seeing other players in epic gear, makes other players aspire to do what is required to get there. If everyone has great cosmetic legendary looking gear, it detracts from the sense of accomplishment and even glory! Of the feats required to get great gear. .. my opinion.

Damokles

@aundrew
I just hope that the weapons and armour that they showed us will be mostly epic weapons and rare to epic armour tbh xD
It is easy to create simple weapons etc, and they most likely want to show off the higher tiered items.

leamese

The weapons the made do look amazing. The one staff from the Dev Diaries series, And the "ice/blue" variant from what they showed in the stream has my liking

Wandering Mist

Maybe it's just because I've studied the physics behind huge weapons but there is no amount of "it's magic" that can convince me that a person can wield a huge weapons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6QSu1EolCI

As an example.

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