What system would you like to see in crafting?

I, personally, enjoy interesting craft systems. I like how you can specialize in wow classic in different types of crafting, for blacksmithing you can choose to be weapon smith and weapon smith to craft better items; for letherworker it was tribal, elemental and dragons scales. Also in BDO there interesting systems for cooking and alchemy where you can substitute components to get final item for example to make bread you can use different types of flour or water.

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Damokles

I would like a mix of GW2, Skyrims Alchemy and Star Wars Galaxies.
It would be cool if we were able to experiment on recepies (replace specific materials)

georgeblack

Too many crafting professions mean a weak economy system:
Every player is self sufficient
Too many options to make gold means gold has low value
Crafting will INEVITABLY lead to market flipping. The early rich people will start buying out all let's say potions for 10-12 gold and flip them for 15 overnight. Crafting will become irrelevant as an income source in comparison to market flipping.

Imo crafting should be restricted in order to be respected and valued.
Crafting should be about:
Gear
Consumables
Buildings
Ships

Crafters should be disadvantaged in comparison to combat characters. If not I believe that we wont have an interesting economy. Same goes for gatherers.
Unfortunatly this is a game, not real life, which means that less options are more solid.

Noaani

georgeblack wrote: »

Too many crafting professions mean a weak economy system:
Every player is self sufficient
Too many options to make gold means gold has low value
Crafting will INEVITABLY lead to market flipping. The early rich people will start buying out all let's say potions for 10-12 gold and flip them for 15 overnight. Crafting will become irrelevant as an income source in comparison to market flipping.

Imo crafting should be restricted in order to be respected and valued.
Crafting should be about:
Gear
Consumables
Buildings
Ships

Crafters should be disadvantaged in comparison to combat characters. If not I believe that we wont have an interesting economy. Same goes for gatherers.
Unfortunatly this is a game, not real life, which means that less options are more solid.

Are you after an interesting economy, or a stable economy?

To me, an interesting economy is one where the price of potion jumps from 10-12 gold up to 15 gold over night, and a stable economy is one where that doesn't happen.

I'd like to see at least a dozen crafting classes, ideally more like 20. I'd like to see characters rest restricted to just one class, but have a high degree of reliability on other classes so that even with full stable of crafting alts, no one player can be totally self sufficient.

As to the economy, in order to see that gold maintains it's value, the developers need to limit the options for players to create new gold - not focus on how that gold transfers from one player to another. The more gold on the server, the less each gold is worth. Since most gold is generated via adventuring - whether mob drops or quest rewards - that is where developers need to focus in order to maintain the value of gold.

Damokles

@noaani @georgeblack
Well guys, it is a good thing then that items have a certain max duration and cant be repaired an unlimited time.
That leads to a constant demand for items, which in turn is a stable support for all crafting professions

A constant demand for items leads to a stable economy.

ryuuji

georgeblack wrote: »

Too many crafting professions mean a weak economy system:
Every player is self sufficient
Too many options to make gold means gold has low value
Crafting will INEVITABLY lead to market flipping. The early rich people will start buying out all let's say potions for 10-12 gold and flip them for 15 overnight. Crafting will become irrelevant as an income source in comparison to market flipping.

Imo crafting should be restricted in order to be respected and valued.
Crafting should be about:
Gear
Consumables
Buildings
Ships

Crafters should be disadvantaged in comparison to combat characters. If not I believe that we wont have an interesting economy. Same goes for gatherers.
Unfortunatly this is a game, not real life, which means that less options are more solid.

ryuuji

damokles wrote: »

@noaani @georgeblack
Well guys, it is a good thing then that items have a certain max duration and cant be repaired an unlimited time.
That leads to a constant demand for items, which in turn is a stable support for all crafting professions
A constant demand for items leads to a stable economy.

Steven said that there will be decay sistem for items after certain cuantity of repairing it broken and you can use it any more.

georgeblack

ryuuji wrote: »

georgeblack wrote: »

Too many crafting professions mean a weak economy system:
Every player is self sufficient
Too many options to make gold means gold has low value
Crafting will INEVITABLY lead to market flipping. The early rich people will start buying out all let's say potions for 10-12 gold and flip them for 15 overnight. Crafting will become irrelevant as an income source in comparison to market flipping.

Imo crafting should be restricted in order to be respected and valued.
Crafting should be about:
Gear
Consumables
Buildings
Ships

Crafters should be disadvantaged in comparison to combat characters. If not I believe that we wont have an interesting economy. Same goes for gatherers.
Unfortunatly this is a game, not real life, which means that less options are more solid.

Not nessesary to have 1000 recipes in every profession just ability to experiment with recipes, let say you have basic recipe for bread and you free to experiment may be by adding wheat and corn flour final breed will be blue grade or if I go to desert area I can use cactus water for tea or river water....

I am afraid this is purely make believe role playing and I hope that the devs will spend time on functionality and balance instead.

ryuuji

Maybe something for food will be interesting to implement for example frees food give you fool buff

ryuuji

georgeblack wrote: »

ryuuji wrote: »

georgeblack wrote: »

Too many crafting professions mean a weak economy system:
Every player is self sufficient
Too many options to make gold means gold has low value
Crafting will INEVITABLY lead to market flipping. The early rich people will start buying out all let's say potions for 10-12 gold and flip them for 15 overnight. Crafting will become irrelevant as an income source in comparison to market flipping.

Imo crafting should be restricted in order to be respected and valued.
Crafting should be about:
Gear
Consumables
Buildings
Ships

Crafters should be disadvantaged in comparison to combat characters. If not I believe that we wont have an interesting economy. Same goes for gatherers.
Unfortunatly this is a game, not real life, which means that less options are more solid.

Not nessesary to have 1000 recipes in every profession just ability to experiment with recipes, let say you have basic recipe for bread and you free to experiment may be by adding wheat and corn flour final breed will be blue grade or if I go to desert area I can use cactus water for tea or river water....

I am afraid this is purely make believe role playing and I hope that the devs will spend time on functionality and balance instead.

It already done in BDO, just make it better.

grisu

How does a lot of crafting profession lead to self sufficencie? Do you mean being able to learn a lot of crafting professions? Otherwise this makes no sense.
Anyway Ashes is built to be not like this. You won't be able to become selfsufficent and out of personal experience, most people don't want to bother with it too much anyway.
It was already said if you purely level on crafting you will miss out on combat progression which leaves you at a combat disadvantage, obviously.
Everyone can marketflip, most just don't want to invest the time into it. So what? Even if you have no crafting it would exist with dropped weapons or whatever you can trade.

To the actual topic, I don't know what I want. I would like a bit more interaction in crafting, that's for sure. Sitting there for 20 minutes watching the progress bar fill up 200 times isn't really engaging. A deep recipe knowledge would be nice. Lots of cross recipies. Make this so you can use it there, refine it, use it on that other thing. It kept me interested for some reason, altho writing it like this it seems kind of annoying.
What else, hmm. Yeah one more thing I hope that all of them are relevant for more reasons than "this one potion/gear component/upgrade material".

Noaani

georgeblack wrote: »

ryuuji wrote: »

georgeblack wrote: »

Too many crafting professions mean a weak economy system:
Every player is self sufficient
Too many options to make gold means gold has low value
Crafting will INEVITABLY lead to market flipping. The early rich people will start buying out all let's say potions for 10-12 gold and flip them for 15 overnight. Crafting will become irrelevant as an income source in comparison to market flipping.

Imo crafting should be restricted in order to be respected and valued.
Crafting should be about:
Gear
Consumables
Buildings
Ships

Crafters should be disadvantaged in comparison to combat characters. If not I believe that we wont have an interesting economy. Same goes for gatherers.
Unfortunatly this is a game, not real life, which means that less options are more solid.

Not nessesary to have 1000 recipes in every profession just ability to experiment with recipes, let say you have basic recipe for bread and you free to experiment may be by adding wheat and corn flour final breed will be blue grade or if I go to desert area I can use cactus water for tea or river water....

I am afraid this is purely make believe role playing and I hope that the devs will spend time on functionality and balance instead.

What is wrong with role playing in a role playing game?

ryuuji

grisu wrote: »

How does a lot of crafting profession lead to self sufficencie? Do you mean being able to learn a lot of crafting professions? Otherwise this makes no sense.
Anyway Ashes is built to be not like this. You won't be able to become selfsufficent and out of personal experience, most people don't want to bother with it too much anyway.
It was already said if you purely level on crafting you will miss out on combat progression which leaves you at a combat disadvantage, obviously.
Everyone can marketflip, most just don't want to invest the time into it. So what? Even if you have no crafting it would exist with dropped weapons or whatever you can trade.

To the actual topic, I don't know what I want. I would like a bit more interaction in crafting, that's for sure. Sitting there for 20 minutes watching the progress bar fill up 200 times isn't really engaging. A deep recipe knowledge would be nice. Lots of cross recipies. Make this so you can use it there, refine it, use it on that other thing. It kept me interested for some reason, altho writing it like this it seems kind of annoying.
What else, hmm. Yeah one more thing I hope that all of them are relevant for more reasons than "this one potion/gear component/upgrade material".

Interaction between professions, like maybe alchemist can craft reagents for blacksmith or tinctures, blacksmith can craft tools for other proffetions.....

ryuuji

georgeblack wrote: »

ryuuji wrote: »

georgeblack wrote: »

Too many crafting professions mean a weak economy system:
Every player is self sufficient
Too many options to make gold means gold has low value
Crafting will INEVITABLY lead to market flipping. The early rich people will start buying out all let's say potions for 10-12 gold and flip them for 15 overnight. Crafting will become irrelevant as an income source in comparison to market flipping.

Imo crafting should be restricted in order to be respected and valued.
Crafting should be about:
Gear
Consumables
Buildings
Ships

Crafters should be disadvantaged in comparison to combat characters. If not I believe that we wont have an interesting economy. Same goes for gatherers.
Unfortunatly this is a game, not real life, which means that less options are more solid.

Not nessesary to have 1000 recipes in every profession just ability to experiment with recipes, let say you have basic recipe for bread and you free to experiment may be by adding wheat and corn flour final breed will be blue grade or if I go to desert area I can use cactus water for tea or river water....

I am afraid this is purely make believe role playing and I hope that the devs will spend time on functionality and balance instead.

For some reasons it named mmorpg and not mmo. In aoc you only can be artisan in one area if you want lvlup alt it is your choice.

Damokles

ryuuji wrote: »

damokles wrote: »

@noaani @georgeblack
Well guys, it is a good thing then that items have a certain max duration and cant be repaired an unlimited time.
That leads to a constant demand for items, which in turn is a stable support for all crafting professions
A constant demand for items leads to a stable economy.

Steven said that there will be decay sistem for items after certain cuantity of repairing it broken and you can use it any more.

Thats what i said

Wandering Mist

This isn't really a crafting "system" per se but when it comes to gaining experience I'd love to see it done like it is in Runescape. In runescape every craftable item gives a set amount of experience points, with higher level items granting more experience. This means that no matter what you craft, you are working towards your next level up.

I much prefer this over say, WoW's crafting system where items you craft have a chance to grant you a level up.

Blackhearted

georgeblack wrote: »

Too many crafting professions mean a weak economy system:
Every player is self sufficient
Too many options to make gold means gold has low value
Crafting will INEVITABLY lead to market flipping. The early rich people will start buying out all let's say potions for 10-12 gold and flip them for 15 overnight. Crafting will become irrelevant as an income source in comparison to market flipping.

What game did u get this experience in?
You should probs realize that flipping and merching is going to exist no matter what. In AoC it is also kind of encouraged(caravans).

The amount of crafting professions is irrelevant to flipping.

georgeblack

blackhearted wrote: »

georgeblack wrote: »

Too many crafting professions mean a weak economy system:
Every player is self sufficient
Too many options to make gold means gold has low value
Crafting will INEVITABLY lead to market flipping. The early rich people will start buying out all let's say potions for 10-12 gold and flip them for 15 overnight. Crafting will become irrelevant as an income source in comparison to market flipping.

What game did u get this experience in?
You should probs realize that flipping and merching is going to exist no matter what. In AoC it is also kind of encouraged(caravans).

The amount of crafting professions is irrelevant to flipping.

Eso.
I was totally sufficied with 1 character that had:
Gear enchants
Alchemy
Jewelry
Provisioning
Blacksmithing
Woodworking
Leatherworking.

In the first couple of years selling consumables and enchants would bring in gold. Later on, what I mentioned above happened. Only "usefull" armor weapons would fetch gold. Still, not so much. The game could be played 100% without having to worry about not having gold. Comletitively.
If i wanted to golden out an armor or get potions all I had to do was play like before without having to worry about producing and selling. It was boring.

T Elf

ryuuji wrote: »

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Not nessesary to have 1000 recipes in every profession just ability to experiment with recipes, let say you have basic recipe for bread and you free to experiment may be by adding wheat and corn flour final breed will be blue grade or if I go to desert area I can use cactus water for tea or river water....

You know, all those discovered recipes that you experimented to find, actually have to be coded/made before hand by the developers, so yes, there will still be thousands of recipes.

Karthos

wanderingmist wrote: »

This isn't really a crafting "system" per se but when it comes to gaining experience I'd love to see it done like it is in Runescape. In runescape every craftable item gives a set amount of experience points, with higher level items granting more experience. This means that no matter what you craft, you are working towards your next level up.

I much prefer this over say, WoW's crafting system where items you craft have a chance to grant you a level up.

This is the system I prefer as well. It also seems to be the direction gaming has been headed luckily.

I love the aspect of a MMO that allows players to still level up as a crafter or gatherer. I remember being so excited for this in the first attempt at FF14.

Even though I'm not a crafter, I thought the diversity that this creates in the types of players on the server was cool. Before, everyone was a fighter, with maybe a crafting hobby. The "civilians" were all NPCs which just wasn't as immersive feeling.

ryuuji

elf wrote: »

ryuuji wrote: »

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Not nessesary to have 1000 recipes in every profession just ability to experiment with recipes, let say you have basic recipe for bread and you free to experiment may be by adding wheat and corn flour final breed will be blue grade or if I go to desert area I can use cactus water for tea or river water....

You know, all those discovered recipes that you experimented to find, actually have to be coded/made before hand by the developers, so yes, there will still be thousands of recipes.

What you prefer variety or simplicity? It is game for years.

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