5 Reasons why modern mmorpg are failing

Hi Guys,

I was just surfing on Youtube and found this!

"5 Reasons Why Classic is Better than BFA and Modern MMORPGs"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mkOxcIb5jo

I dont agree with his statemant on APOC but i totally agree with his 5 reasons.

What do you think about this ?

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Azathoth

Other people's opinions on why things fail don't interest me. It also feels like a lot of the videos posted here are just to up views on various pages.

I think MMORPGs are failing because as a gaming society we are evolving/growing faster than the software can and faster than developers can put out games.

But, you know, its just an opinion.

Hexcat

The guy on the video is just another casual gamer that thinks the "old school" is better just because, well, is the "old school" (first he tries to compare one genre with another and the comes with things like "I have never played this game I'm talking about" , I mean... seriously?...)
There are literally tons of things that make classic wow just bad in terms mechanics, does World of Warcraft was THE ONE in it's time? Of course it was, but no game is going to last forever if it can't adapt itself to the market, and literally in each and every expansion of WoW people come and say "OH NO THE GAME IS DYING mumble mumble mumble" and here we are 15 years after the launch and I can assure that the servers are not going to be shut down the next week, the next month or the next year.
In MY OPINION the real reason why the MMORPG genre is stuck is the fact that companies have only dare to go one of two ways, either they want to be a WoW killer by "doing the same but better" or they want to be safe and go for a generic asian style MMORPG, with micro transactions, p2w and other stuff, and you know what? Who can blame them? We use to think that a company behind a game is just a bunch of people with computers programming and doing "game stuff" but in reality is so much more complex than that, if I where an investor for a gaming company and they present me two ideas I'm going to pick the one that leaves me more money, and if that company can't do it I'm going to seek for that that can, it's called good business.
That being said what IS is doing with AOC is something refreshing and unexpected, using literally the players money to make a good MMORPG with minimal external income is the thing that makes all of this so interesting and it could be a rule changer in terms of what the next generation of MMORPG games are based on, IF THEY DELIVER...

tugowar

j189 wrote: »

Hi Guys,

I dont agree with his statemant on APOC but i totally agree with his 5 reasons.

Sure testing may have been the primary reason, but they did still go for the monetization, so his point is still valid. They followed the BR formula for monetization.

Stopped watching after point 1 bc 20 min video...

insomnia

Vanilla wow sucks. Everything is a struggle and takes ages. Try leveling a warrior on your own. Try finding a group, for anything that requires a group. Part of the reasons why i think vanilla wow sucks, Ashes will have...

Dygz

Playing Vanilla WoW would be way worse than playing current WoW.
We need a MMORPG 2.0 design that gets rid of endgame - designs like EQNext, Revival, Ashes and CoE.
WoW gameplay post Cata couldn't grab my attention long enough for me to care about its monetization.

tugowar

insomnia wrote: »

Vanilla wow sucks. Everything is a struggle and takes ages. Try leveling a warrior on your own. Try finding a group, for anything that requires a group. Part of the reasons why i think vanilla wow sucks, Ashes will have...

That's because the game isn't designed to be played alone. Think vanilla wow sucks bc of the social aspect. Wait til you see the zerg game called Ashes of Creation, the MMORPG.

Nagash

tugowar wrote: »

insomnia wrote: »

Vanilla wow sucks. Everything is a struggle and takes ages. Try leveling a warrior on your own. Try finding a group, for anything that requires a group. Part of the reasons why i think vanilla wow sucks, Ashes will have...

That's because the game isn't designed to be played alone. Think vanilla wow sucks bc of the social aspect. Wait til you see the zerg game called Ashes of Creation, the MMORPG.

Its like people don't know what MMORPG means ^^

CROW3

idk - the mmorpg genre has been around now for 25+ years. I started playing them in 1998 with UO. Each subsequent title has contributed to making the overall genre more complex with a corresponding set of baseline expectations from players. My theory for some time has been that no single title will be a 'wow-killer;' wow will just collapse under it's own scale.

Vanilla wow might garner attention for the sake of nostalgia, but I think ultimately a new title that can leverage existing baseline systems, while providing a novel approach to gameplay and social interaction will probably win the day, this is why AoC interests me.

jinxthegamer

I have ONE:
MMORPGs fail because they are not being designed to be the best RPG experience possible but to make money preferably the easiest way possible.

unknownsystemerror

Create new account on Intrepid. Plug your video as a "Hey, look what I just found on the net!" to get clicks. Profit.

Did no one notice this guy joined literally the day before he posted?

Azathoth

I mean, I did...

Dygz

haha.
But... I did not feel any need to watch that vid.

consultant

well about 50 days away from vanilla wow my prediction is it is going to explode. Most likely more players will play vanilla wow than retail wow. Kind of wondering what the devs are going to do when most of their palyer base will be playing classic wow cause well classic wow cannot be developed.

Magic Man

Here's my 5 reasons.

- Tab target (and all forms of non skill based combat)
- Grind
- Mindless Quests
- Themepark Fiesta (in the sense of lack of 'sandboxness')
- Overcomplicating the game which was supposed to be fun but now it feels like work and vice versa

bloodprophet

Tab target vs action face roll button smash and grind are all perception.
The current way quests are handled is what makes them mindless. Click the guy click accept and run to where the marker says to go. Pew pew and run back. This is boring as all hell. When I leveled my mage for this expansion I had Netflix or a podcast going and didn't even pay attention to the game.
Over complication is also entirely perception. Can't have meaningful quests and be unengaging at the same time. Have to pick one.

Most of these games fail because they lack identity. Either they try to please everyone or they try to put so much in they lose what they were after to start with.
Wildstar for example had lots of fun there but was way to busy with silly stuff. "Challenge Accepted" was annoying as hell. Walk into a new area and an event starts just for you and now trying to figure it out before the timer. Eventually just ignored that stuff.

EmeraldDarkholme

is zerg when a group or guild tackle a world boss over and over again without letting others fight the boss?

I have never played an mmorpg long enough to experience that but it sounds annoying.

Apok

insomnia wrote: »

Vanilla wow sucks. Everything is a struggle and takes ages. Try leveling a warrior on your own. Try finding a group, for anything that requires a group. Part of the reasons why i think vanilla wow sucks, Ashes will have...

why are you playing an MMO by yourself..

this is what I hate about the market now days, people for some reason have a problem with making friends and talking to people. MMOs should be about building relationships not a pissing match of who can look better than the other guy. everyone wants to be able to solo an online game, if you want to solo everything go play a single player game

Noaani

To me, the reason MMO's are failing right now is because developers are spending too much time giving people 'a reason' to log in, and not enough time giving people something fun to do.

It's been years since I played an MMO at seemed to me to put fun ahead of a monotonous daily quest grind.

Wololo

apok wrote: »

insomnia wrote: »

Vanilla wow sucks. Everything is a struggle and takes ages. Try leveling a warrior on your own. Try finding a group, for anything that requires a group. Part of the reasons why i think vanilla wow sucks, Ashes will have...

why are you playing an MMO by yourself..

this is what I hate about the market now days, people for some reason have a problem with making friends and talking to people. MMOs should be about building relationships not a pissing match of who can look better than the other guy. everyone wants to be able to solo an online game, if you want to solo everything go play a single player game

there are those who prefer to play alone but like to be part of a community at the same time. like in runescape, there ppl do prety much everything solo. and that game has been around for ages. i am not one of them but can understand those who like to play being on the background farming or merching solo and then stand afk in town showing off theyr gear. like if you have a family with kids and a busy job and dont seek online socializing; they dont need to be typing or talking to others but still need a MMO platform. just casual play.. and they still contribute to the whole as community. personally i havnt seen this getting more or less over the years but didnt played WoW much.

Rem_

In my opinion the MMORPG genre has fallen off so hard because there's no modern appeal. People who have played MMORPG games for years will always argue this, but it's just not true. I'm younger, 17 to be exact and everyone I've talked to hasn't really played or had interest in MMORPG games. Obviously that has to do with the lack of interest from the scarcity of good publishing for the genre. New people are NOT being drawn into the genre, people who have stuck with it long have families or at least jobs so they can't constantly be on the games and wait for them without worry. To my knowledge nothing MMORPG related has dropped in my lifetime that has been the "New big thing." Or anything even CLOSE. World of Warcraft has been the best and most popular for SO long and nothing has even come close I think to the numbers. I know that's just a by product of the game being so old and time put in and nostalgia and so many other factors but still.

There is no new life or blood. The Battle royale is a good idea and can bring more people in, publishers and developers have to try new stuff to bring different people in. If you stick boring tab targeting combat in a game and release it today with only that, no one new would play. It's too much money and investment to risk trying new stuff with the genre, and most games are instantly compared with the likes of WoW or anything. The community of MMORPG games to me seems desperate for anything and eastern companies seem to be ruining the genre even more. I just see Pay to Win cash grabs through everything, even with a more popular mmorpg BDO I tried. I had to stop playing because I didn't want to pay money for pets to collect stuff. That's one small example but companies just try to make anything harder to get any money from you. I'm hoping Intrepid can modernize then genre and help bring in new people, everywhere I go it seems that there are NO new people. Wherever I go to see MMORPG news it's old veterans of the genre waiting for the next big thing or still playing WoW and hopping between new releases hoping it will rival blizzard. Either way Ashes looks great, It's GRAPHICS ALONE will most likely bring in new people, since things like RUNESCAPE or WoW can turn new people off just from the looks.

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