A Guild Leader's Compact on Evasion

It is apparent in AOC Wiki, that in-game evasion is sanctioned for intrigue. That is to say, creating a character to spy, sabotage, or coerce rival guilds as a covert member. It stands to reason; guilds will have countermeasures to thwart such attempts. To that end, I am proposing a compact of those guilds that will not engage in or tolerate such behavior. Hence, there might be a group of guilds that adopt a compact, publish such, and are honorably renowned not engage in these practices. Here is the wording my guild has adopted on the Exchange web page:

‘A note on our evasion policy. The association does not believe in or tolerate evasive behavior. Our associates are not allowed membership with other accounts for purposes of spying, sabotage & coercion in other guilds. Likewise, we do not tolerate those with allegiance to other guilds infiltrating our own. Members in violation will be 'kicked' from the association given veracity. Hence, the guild will be known on the server as an agnostic and neutral group that can be trusted in this regard.’

Please post ideas for your evasion / spying countermeasures here. Thank you.

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Nagash

I spy with my hollow eyes lots of guilds who will complain

GrinningJack

spying is part of the game o.O

Azathoth

I will sign the pact to get the initial suspicions off me. Since, I assume, not signing the pact will make some automatically assume you want to engage in espionage.

Then, since there is no in game built in mechanics to prevent or punish such behavior, I will turn spy.

If such a treatise existed, it would be more advantageous to sign it for spy oriented guilds. It would also increase the role play suspense of being caught, since the punishment would be the guild being removed from the pact.

Imo, having some guilds with this treaty will encourage more espionage than what is* already likely planned.

I am in, I like* the idea.

*Phone edits

Damokles

Well, i plan to head a pure PvE/Crafting guild.... So.... I dont have much to be spied upon....
I will most likely be one of those people that know all of your troop movements, just through the presence of guild merchants and artisans....

Nagash

Damokles wrote: »

Well, i plan to head a pure PvE/Crafting guild.... So.... I dont have much to be spied upon....
I will most likely be one of those people that know all of your troop movements, just through the presence of guild merchants and artisans....

Knowledge is power, guard it well

Karthos

Thank God Skrumdiddlyuptious, I thought you left us for good

Nagash

Karthos wrote: »

Thank God Skrumdiddlyuptious, I thought you left us for good

that made me laugh so loud that I woke up my dog

Wololo

that policy doesnt mean anything.. you will find out when you lead a guild ingame.. its rly simple; just dont talk about important stuff to anyone other then the people that should know about it. and make sure they dont talk about it in guild chat. and once someone infiltrated so much that he/she gained your trust to loot the guild bank; the person passed alot of red flags alrdy. you can notice from alot of small details someone is trying to be a fake main from the moments they log on to who they talk to etc...they apply over-enthusiastic and socialize only with certain ppl. aint nobody going to live a double life for months and become a good friend just to loot some coins xD
now when it comes to spying information from a guild website/forum/event calender/pre-battle strategy's you cant stop that lol. a good application helps but just consider that info public

Noaani

This kind of seems like the "if you're a cop, you have to tell me" thing.

No guild - whether they intend on engaging in this sort of thing or not - will sign something like this unless they believe they will gain from it.

Thing is, guilds that don't intend on engaging in this sort of thing stand to lose from signing it - as they are basically advertising that they likely don't have much in the way of countermeasures in place (countermeasures being a subset of this type of action).

However, guilds that have every intention of engaging in this sort of thing stand to gain from it - no spy would ever state that they are a spy, and would always take reasonably measures to state that they are not.

So, you're left with a situation where you don't know if a guild signs something like this because they won't engage in this kind of thing, or because they will engage in it and consider signing something like this as being a part of engaging in that activity itself. And then you have guilds that don't sign on to something like this because they do intend in engaging in this kind of activity, guilds that don't sign this because they don't intend to participate in this kind of activity and don't want to advertise this fact to other guilds, guilds that don't want to acknowledge the existence of any kind of spy network and so won't sign either way, and then guilds that are unaware of the existence of this kind of thing and so can't sign it.

So basically, if you have a list of guilds that have signed this, you then have to ask yourself, did the guilds that sign it do so because they are genuine or because they are engaging in subterfuge, and did the guilds that didn't sign it not sign it because they are engaging in subterfuge but are genuine, because they don't want to advertise their status as an easy subterfuge target, because they don't want to bring attention to their subterfuge activities or because they are unaware of the whole thing?

So basically, while I applaud the sentiment, the practicality of it is less than worthless.

Caeryl

I want to sign the compact of spying and subterfuge. It sounds much more entertaining

Atama

Caeryl wrote: »

I want to sign the compact of spying and subterfuge. It sounds much more entertaining

Make sure you sign with a fake name.

Caeryl

Atama wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

I want to sign the compact of spying and subterfuge. It sounds much more entertaining

Make sure you sign with a fake name.

If every signature isn’t edgy to the max then the compact automatically fails

Azathoth

Thoth, Azathoth. 001.
Consider me the first signature

Makinoji

All I read was let's impede on someone's choice of playstyle, which to me is a hard pass.

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Nagash

skafftaruss wrote: »

In the same vein as above - I didn't note any countermeasure ideas, either common practice or monitoring algorithm / bots. I would suppose posting such things here is intelligence itself and might provide insight into defeating said countermeasures. The discussion, though lighthearted here, seems tedious and boring. Do I have to add a unicorn pic - really.?. Please post ideas for your evasion / spying countermeasures below. Cheers!

kill everyone?

Caeryl

Nagash wrote: »

skafftaruss wrote: »

In the same vein as above - I didn't note any countermeasure ideas, either common practice or monitoring algorithm / bots. I would suppose posting such things here is intelligence itself and might provide insight into defeating said countermeasures. The discussion, though lighthearted here, seems tedious and boring. Do I have to add a unicorn pic - really.?. Please post ideas for your evasion / spying countermeasures below. Cheers!

kill everyone?

Your guild can’t be spied on if you have no guild

Nagash

Caeryl wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

skafftaruss wrote: »

In the same vein as above - I didn't note any countermeasure ideas, either common practice or monitoring algorithm / bots. I would suppose posting such things here is intelligence itself and might provide insight into defeating said countermeasures. The discussion, though lighthearted here, seems tedious and boring. Do I have to add a unicorn pic - really.?. Please post ideas for your evasion / spying countermeasures below. Cheers!

kill everyone?

Your guild can’t be spied on if you have no guild

indeed

Damokles

Caeryl wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

skafftaruss wrote: »

In the same vein as above - I didn't note any countermeasure ideas, either common practice or monitoring algorithm / bots. I would suppose posting such things here is intelligence itself and might provide insight into defeating said countermeasures. The discussion, though lighthearted here, seems tedious and boring. Do I have to add a unicorn pic - really.?. Please post ideas for your evasion / spying countermeasures below. Cheers!

kill everyone?

Your guild can’t be spied on if you have no guild

Big brain Boy right here. ;D

Guild, what do you mean guild? I just have a website, where specially recruited individuals with common goals and interests log in to "share" some.... "common knowledge"!

Azathoth

skafftaruss wrote: »

In the same vein as above - I didn't note any countermeasure ideas, either common practice or monitoring algorithm / bots. I would suppose posting such things here is intelligence itself and might provide insight into defeating said countermeasures. The discussion, though lighthearted here, seems tedious and boring. Do I have to add a unicorn pic - really.?. Please post ideas for your evasion / spying countermeasures below. Cheers!

A solid vetting process that allows my guild to grow strong with fewer, more trusted allies.

A "work your way to the top" initiative that requires players to put time in with individual characters (as opposed to totally time from alts) *directly tied to the level of leadership they can apply for.*

*Edit: odd wording

Similarly this should also apply to things that require votes, but maybe allow alt time to count. As in, if you have only been in the guild for a month and have wracked up 3 hours with 3 alts, you can't vote. However, somewhere around 20 hours with a handful of alts allows you to vote.

A mission statement, solid but with a 'high view' aspect to the non-leaders. Meaning less detail before arrival at the start of the location. If you are a guild member, and you want to raid, you should trust your raid leader enough to not need the finer details of the assault before arriving at the raid spot. The raid leader should be experienced enough to indicate anything needed prior to leaving.

A raid roster, where if you sign up for a raid and bail one too many times you can be suspended/kicked/ignored by the group. Don't make plans you don't intend to keep. Something comes up, I get that, but that shouldn't be a common thing.

Treasurer/Master-Accountant/Whomever you give access to the guild loot to, would be a former leader. Not raid leader, but appointed/elected member that served their full term.

Most importantly, and I can't stress this enough, not allow new members to run for office in some sort of democratic style voting structure.

Unless you wanted stuff like:
-Secret Handshakes
-Passwords
-Day Color Codes (if you're not a spy you would be wearing Blue, it's Wednesday)

Do you need help with other aspects of your guild?
I'll help build it, why not, I don't and would never engage is subterfuge.

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