No Substance

Another livestream with no substance. Just more of “this is what we’re doing and this is how it’ll work”. It’s been months and we’re not seeing any progress. Just words and some art. This isn’t open development because we’re barely seeing anything develop. Art and words isn’t open development.

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Wandering Mist

What you have preferred to see, or for them to say?

Jahlon

vmangman wrote: »

Another livestream with no substance. Just more of “this is what we’re doing and this is how it’ll work”. It’s been months and we’re not seeing any progress. Just words and some art. This isn’t open development because we’re barely seeing anything develop. Art and words isn’t open development.

In case you missed the 7 March CD letter, they stopped open development then.

VmanGman

Jahlon wrote: »

vmangman wrote: »

Another livestream with no substance. Just more of “this is what we’re doing and this is how it’ll work”. It’s been months and we’re not seeing any progress. Just words and some art. This isn’t open development because we’re barely seeing anything develop. Art and words isn’t open development.

In case you missed the 7 March CD letter, they stopped open development then.

You could not be further from the truth.

I will now quote excerpts from the letter that say the exact opposite of what you stated:

“ Margaret Krohn and Sarah Flanagan who are helping bridge the gap between communication of the development of the game to the community and vice versa. Beginning this month, you will start to see regular content updates on our road to Alpha One”

“ With the addition of our new community team, you will begin to see new content and regular weekly updates on the progress of the MMORPG, and our journey to Alpha One”

“ As we move towards our future testing periods, we have taken your feedback regarding development updates, and moving forward we will be focused on updating you more frequently with a look into our progress on systems and designs. Part of what I have tasked Margaret and Sarah with is defining a Content Roadmap that highlights the project’s development and what goes on behind the scenes”

“ One of the great things about our project is the ability for you, our community, to look into the development of a game this size”

“ Moving forward, we will continue working hard on preparing for Alpha One, and giving you greater sight into the development of the systems and mechanics that go into creating what will be the greatest MMORP”

Multiple times through the letter Stephen says the exact opposite of what you just stated, that they’re stopping open development. Care to elaborate where you get your facts or what you mean?

Makinoji

Art and words are part of the development process. Just because your idea of what you wanted to see didn't align with what was shown doesn't discredit the information that was given.

Idk why certain people keep reading into things that aren't there or true and spread panic but to each their own.

VmanGman

Wandering Mist wrote: »

What you have preferred to see, or for them to say?

More than just art and words. They keep talking about destruction, but aren’t showing us anything. We’ve seen art of some races structures, but nothing in game or more detailed information. There’s just a bunch of talk and not much walk.

They have a self imposed letter that is supposed to drop every 3 months. Every three months... and they couldn’t even get that out. That’s some horrible open development.

VmanGman

Makinoji wrote: »

Art and words are part of the development process. Just because your idea of what you wanted to see didn't align with what was shown doesn't discredit the information that was given.

Idk why certain people keep reading into things that aren't there or true and spread panic but to each their own.

There’s been months of basically just art and words. Read the quotes from the last Creative Director’s Letter posted as a response above.

Steven himself said in that letter that the team “will be focused on updating you (the community) more frequently with a look into our progress on systems and designs” and that they will be “giving you (the community) greater sight into the development of the systems and mechanics that go into creating what will be the greatest MMORPG”.

The quotes above do not describe art and words. So please don’t tell me that I’m reading into things that aren’t there or that my idea just simply doesn’t align with what was shown. The quotes above are from Steven himself. So help me understand how I’m being ridiculous in my statements and expectations of more than just art and words?

Makinoji

vmangman wrote: »

Makinoji wrote: »

Art and words are part of the development process. Just because your idea of what you wanted to see didn't align with what was shown doesn't discredit the information that was given.

Idk why certain people keep reading into things that aren't there or true and spread panic but to each their own.

There’s been months of basically just art and words. Read the quotes from the last Creative Director’s Letter posted as a response above.

Steven himself said in that letter that the team “will be focused on updating you (the community) more frequently with a look into our progress on systems and designs” and that they will be “giving you (the community) greater sight into the development of the systems and mechanics that go into creating what will be the greatest MMORPG”.

The quotes above do not describe art and words. So please don’t tell me that I’m reading into things that aren’t there or that my idea just simply doesn’t align with what was shown. The quotes above are from Steven himself. So help me understand how I’m being ridiculous in my statements and expectations of more than just art and words?

These are all things they have done since the March CD letter (see below list)

Information after information. Even some snapchat updates about the development of the castle sieges.
APOC itself uses assets from the MMORPG and is being used to test the MMO combat. They are feeding us slowly but it's there in black and white and in digital to review. Again I stand by my statement from before of
Art and words are part of the development process. Just because your idea of what you wanted to see didn't align with what was shown doesn't discredit the information that was given.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Recent_media
2019-11-22 Livestream
2019-11-07 Discord lore reading and Q&A
2019-11-07 Blog: Servant of the Damned (Creation of the Cursed Charger)
2019-11-05 Newsletter
2019-11-05 Blog: Bounties of the Verdant Keeper
2019-11-02 Extra Life Livestream
2019-10-31 Livestream
2019-10-12 Newsletter
2019-10-12 Apocalypse gaming session with some lite QnA Livestream
2019-10-11 Blog: Forest of Erinthia game update
2019-10-11 Blog: Enter the Glorious Gourd Contest
2019-10-02 Blog: Shades Unseen
2019-10-02 Apocalypse QnA and Gaming Session Late Night Edition Livestream
2019-09-30 Blog: October Giveaway - Free Armor of the Autumn Knight
2019-09-30 Apocalypse Gaming Session Late Night Edition Livestream (Part II)
2019-09-30 Apocalypse Gaming Session Late Night Edition Livestream (Part I)
2019-09-27 Livestream
2019-09-27 Blog: Unlock a free Emberstorm Dragon
2019-09-24 Video - Ashes of Creation Apocalypse early access trailer
2019-09-19 Blog: Otterly playful
2019-09-18 Blog: Ashes of Creation Apocalypse heads into early access
2019-09-04 Newsletter
2019-08-29 Livestream
2019-08-28 Blog: The Order of the Luminous Levin
2019-08-21 Video - Ashes of Creation MMORPG Teaser
2019-08-15 Dungeon Crawler Network podcast interview with creative director Steven Sharif
2019-08-14 Discord Q&A
2019-08-14 Blog: Steam Announce And Play Test FAQ For Ashes of Creation Apocalypse
2019-08-09 Blog: A Noble Steed
2019-08-06 Newsletter
2019-08-02 Blog: Account servces update and downtime on August 5
2019-07-31 Blog: The Groves of Slumbering Shade
2019-07-30 Blog: Rocky Beginnings
2019-07-26 Livestream
2019-07-16 Blog: Creative Director's Letter and Mayoral Caravan System
2019-07-02 Newsletter
2019-07-02 Blog: The Maestros of Merriment
2019-06-28 Livestream
2019-06-27 Developer Diaries: Animation
2019-06-22 Blog: A Fell Venture (Creation of the Fellbeak Macaw)
2019-06-04 Newsletter
2019-05-30 Livestream
2019-05-29 Blog: Pilgramage of the Diviner
2019-05-28 Developer Diaries: Weapon Modeling
2019-05-23 Blog: Know Your Nodes - Economic Node Type
2019-05-07 Video - Ashes of Creation Lore of the Hippogryph
2019-04-30 Developer Diaries: Building Tech
2019-04-19 Steven Sharif Interview - The Golden Feather
2019-04-17 Steven Sharif Interview - Ashes Pathfinder
2019-04-15 Steven Sharif Interview - Paradox Gaming Network
2019-04-11 Steven Sharif Interview - Dungeon Crawler Network
2019-04-10 Blog: Know Your Nodes - Scientific Node Type
2019-04-04 Newsletter
2019-04-02 Blog: The Beastmasters of Niküa Cosmetics
2019-03-27 Developer Diaries: Node Tech
2019-03-26 Blog: Know Your Nodes - Advance and Destroy
2019-03-21 GDC 2019 Creative Director Interview
2019-03-16 Blog: Know Your Nodes - The Basics
2019-03-12 Blog: 10 Facts About Castle Sieges in the MMORPG
2019-03-08 Video - Ashes of Creation Apocalypse Castle Siege Gameplay
2019-03-08 Livestream
2019-03-07 Discord Q&A
2019-03-07 Blog: Creative Director's Letter

VmanGman

Makinoji wrote: »

vmangman wrote: »

Makinoji wrote: »

Art and words are part of the development process. Just because your idea of what you wanted to see didn't align with what was shown doesn't discredit the information that was given.

Idk why certain people keep reading into things that aren't there or true and spread panic but to each their own.

There’s been months of basically just art and words. Read the quotes from the last Creative Director’s Letter posted as a response above.

Steven himself said in that letter that the team “will be focused on updating you (the community) more frequently with a look into our progress on systems and designs” and that they will be “giving you (the community) greater sight into the development of the systems and mechanics that go into creating what will be the greatest MMORPG”.

The quotes above do not describe art and words. So please don’t tell me that I’m reading into things that aren’t there or that my idea just simply doesn’t align with what was shown. The quotes above are from Steven himself. So help me understand how I’m being ridiculous in my statements and expectations of more than just art and words?

These are all things they have done since the March CD letter (see below list)

Information after information. Even some snapchat updates about the development of the castle sieges.
APOC itself uses assets from the MMORPG and is being used to test the MMO combat. They are feeding us slowly but it's there in black and white and in digital to review. Again I stand by my statement from before of
Art and words are part of the development process. Just because your idea of what you wanted to see didn't align with what was shown doesn't discredit the information that was given.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Recent_media
2019-11-22 Livestream
2019-11-07 Discord lore reading and Q&A
2019-11-07 Blog: Servant of the Damned (Creation of the Cursed Charger)
2019-11-05 Newsletter
2019-11-05 Blog: Bounties of the Verdant Keeper
2019-11-02 Extra Life Livestream
2019-10-31 Livestream
2019-10-12 Newsletter
2019-10-12 Apocalypse gaming session with some lite QnA Livestream
2019-10-11 Blog: Forest of Erinthia game update
2019-10-11 Blog: Enter the Glorious Gourd Contest
2019-10-02 Blog: Shades Unseen
2019-10-02 Apocalypse QnA and Gaming Session Late Night Edition Livestream
2019-09-30 Blog: October Giveaway - Free Armor of the Autumn Knight
2019-09-30 Apocalypse Gaming Session Late Night Edition Livestream (Part II)
2019-09-30 Apocalypse Gaming Session Late Night Edition Livestream (Part I)
2019-09-27 Livestream
2019-09-27 Blog: Unlock a free Emberstorm Dragon
2019-09-24 Video - Ashes of Creation Apocalypse early access trailer
2019-09-19 Blog: Otterly playful
2019-09-18 Blog: Ashes of Creation Apocalypse heads into early access
2019-09-04 Newsletter
2019-08-29 Livestream
2019-08-28 Blog: The Order of the Luminous Levin
2019-08-21 Video - Ashes of Creation MMORPG Teaser
2019-08-15 Dungeon Crawler Network podcast interview with creative director Steven Sharif
2019-08-14 Discord Q&A
2019-08-14 Blog: Steam Announce And Play Test FAQ For Ashes of Creation Apocalypse
2019-08-09 Blog: A Noble Steed
2019-08-06 Newsletter
2019-08-02 Blog: Account servces update and downtime on August 5
2019-07-31 Blog: The Groves of Slumbering Shade
2019-07-30 Blog: Rocky Beginnings
2019-07-26 Livestream
2019-07-16 Blog: Creative Director's Letter and Mayoral Caravan System
2019-07-02 Newsletter
2019-07-02 Blog: The Maestros of Merriment
2019-06-28 Livestream
2019-06-27 Developer Diaries: Animation
2019-06-22 Blog: A Fell Venture (Creation of the Fellbeak Macaw)
2019-06-04 Newsletter
2019-05-30 Livestream
2019-05-29 Blog: Pilgramage of the Diviner
2019-05-28 Developer Diaries: Weapon Modeling
2019-05-23 Blog: Know Your Nodes - Economic Node Type
2019-05-07 Video - Ashes of Creation Lore of the Hippogryph
2019-04-30 Developer Diaries: Building Tech
2019-04-19 Steven Sharif Interview - The Golden Feather
2019-04-17 Steven Sharif Interview - Ashes Pathfinder
2019-04-15 Steven Sharif Interview - Paradox Gaming Network
2019-04-11 Steven Sharif Interview - Dungeon Crawler Network
2019-04-10 Blog: Know Your Nodes - Scientific Node Type
2019-04-04 Newsletter
2019-04-02 Blog: The Beastmasters of Niküa Cosmetics
2019-03-27 Developer Diaries: Node Tech
2019-03-26 Blog: Know Your Nodes - Advance and Destroy
2019-03-21 GDC 2019 Creative Director Interview
2019-03-16 Blog: Know Your Nodes - The Basics
2019-03-12 Blog: 10 Facts About Castle Sieges in the MMORPG
2019-03-08 Video - Ashes of Creation Apocalypse Castle Siege Gameplay
2019-03-08 Livestream
2019-03-07 Discord Q&A
2019-03-07 Blog: Creative Director's Letter

Yes, on paper that looks like a lot of information, but most that is just fluff. Like yesterday’s livestream most what Intrepid puts out has no substance.

The Know Your Nodes blogposts were great! But unfortunately they were short lived. They’ve had some good pieces of information released, but most of it is just little crumbs that don’t actually show much development. As you can see in my quotes from the CDL, Steven said that they want to give us updates on systems and mechanics.

And you should know that no one can take your list seriously when you include paid pre-launch cosmetics in your list of updates... come on man... paid cosmetics are not development updates.

Makinoji

vmangman wrote: »

Makinoji wrote: »

vmangman wrote: »

Makinoji wrote: »

Art and words are part of the development process. Just because your idea of what you wanted to see didn't align with what was shown doesn't discredit the information that was given.

Idk why certain people keep reading into things that aren't there or true and spread panic but to each their own.

There’s been months of basically just art and words. Read the quotes from the last Creative Director’s Letter posted as a response above.

Steven himself said in that letter that the team “will be focused on updating you (the community) more frequently with a look into our progress on systems and designs” and that they will be “giving you (the community) greater sight into the development of the systems and mechanics that go into creating what will be the greatest MMORPG”.

The quotes above do not describe art and words. So please don’t tell me that I’m reading into things that aren’t there or that my idea just simply doesn’t align with what was shown. The quotes above are from Steven himself. So help me understand how I’m being ridiculous in my statements and expectations of more than just art and words?

These are all things they have done since the March CD letter (see below list)

Information after information. Even some snapchat updates about the development of the castle sieges.
APOC itself uses assets from the MMORPG and is being used to test the MMO combat. They are feeding us slowly but it's there in black and white and in digital to review. Again I stand by my statement from before of
Art and words are part of the development process. Just because your idea of what you wanted to see didn't align with what was shown doesn't discredit the information that was given.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Recent_media
2019-11-22 Livestream
2019-11-07 Discord lore reading and Q&A
2019-11-07 Blog: Servant of the Damned (Creation of the Cursed Charger)
2019-11-05 Newsletter
2019-11-05 Blog: Bounties of the Verdant Keeper
2019-11-02 Extra Life Livestream
2019-10-31 Livestream
2019-10-12 Newsletter
2019-10-12 Apocalypse gaming session with some lite QnA Livestream
2019-10-11 Blog: Forest of Erinthia game update
2019-10-11 Blog: Enter the Glorious Gourd Contest
2019-10-02 Blog: Shades Unseen
2019-10-02 Apocalypse QnA and Gaming Session Late Night Edition Livestream
2019-09-30 Blog: October Giveaway - Free Armor of the Autumn Knight
2019-09-30 Apocalypse Gaming Session Late Night Edition Livestream (Part II)
2019-09-30 Apocalypse Gaming Session Late Night Edition Livestream (Part I)
2019-09-27 Livestream
2019-09-27 Blog: Unlock a free Emberstorm Dragon
2019-09-24 Video - Ashes of Creation Apocalypse early access trailer
2019-09-19 Blog: Otterly playful
2019-09-18 Blog: Ashes of Creation Apocalypse heads into early access
2019-09-04 Newsletter
2019-08-29 Livestream
2019-08-28 Blog: The Order of the Luminous Levin
2019-08-21 Video - Ashes of Creation MMORPG Teaser
2019-08-15 Dungeon Crawler Network podcast interview with creative director Steven Sharif
2019-08-14 Discord Q&A
2019-08-14 Blog: Steam Announce And Play Test FAQ For Ashes of Creation Apocalypse
2019-08-09 Blog: A Noble Steed
2019-08-06 Newsletter
2019-08-02 Blog: Account servces update and downtime on August 5
2019-07-31 Blog: The Groves of Slumbering Shade
2019-07-30 Blog: Rocky Beginnings
2019-07-26 Livestream
2019-07-16 Blog: Creative Director's Letter and Mayoral Caravan System
2019-07-02 Newsletter
2019-07-02 Blog: The Maestros of Merriment
2019-06-28 Livestream
2019-06-27 Developer Diaries: Animation
2019-06-22 Blog: A Fell Venture (Creation of the Fellbeak Macaw)
2019-06-04 Newsletter
2019-05-30 Livestream
2019-05-29 Blog: Pilgramage of the Diviner
2019-05-28 Developer Diaries: Weapon Modeling
2019-05-23 Blog: Know Your Nodes - Economic Node Type
2019-05-07 Video - Ashes of Creation Lore of the Hippogryph
2019-04-30 Developer Diaries: Building Tech
2019-04-19 Steven Sharif Interview - The Golden Feather
2019-04-17 Steven Sharif Interview - Ashes Pathfinder
2019-04-15 Steven Sharif Interview - Paradox Gaming Network
2019-04-11 Steven Sharif Interview - Dungeon Crawler Network
2019-04-10 Blog: Know Your Nodes - Scientific Node Type
2019-04-04 Newsletter
2019-04-02 Blog: The Beastmasters of Niküa Cosmetics
2019-03-27 Developer Diaries: Node Tech
2019-03-26 Blog: Know Your Nodes - Advance and Destroy
2019-03-21 GDC 2019 Creative Director Interview
2019-03-16 Blog: Know Your Nodes - The Basics
2019-03-12 Blog: 10 Facts About Castle Sieges in the MMORPG
2019-03-08 Video - Ashes of Creation Apocalypse Castle Siege Gameplay
2019-03-08 Livestream
2019-03-07 Discord Q&A
2019-03-07 Blog: Creative Director's Letter

Yes, on paper that looks like a lot of information, but most that is just fluff. Like yesterday’s livestream most what Intrepid puts out has no substance.

The Know Your Nodes blogposts were great! But unfortunately they were short lived. They’ve had some good pieces of information released, but most of it is just little crumbs that don’t actually show much development. As you can see in my quotes from the CDL, Steven said that they want to give us updates on systems and mechanics.

And you should know that no one can take your list seriously when you include paid pre-launch cosmetics in your list of updates... come on man... paid cosmetics are not development updates.

I merely pasted that list, it's not my job to curate knowledge for you. You are intelligent enough to sift through the bits, however seeing that you took my response in the way you did only further proves my point of people wanting to hear what they want to. This is where I say good day.

VmanGman

Makinoji wrote: »

vmangman wrote: »

Makinoji wrote: »

vmangman wrote: »

Makinoji wrote: »

Art and words are part of the development process. Just because your idea of what you wanted to see didn't align with what was shown doesn't discredit the information that was given.

Idk why certain people keep reading into things that aren't there or true and spread panic but to each their own.

There’s been months of basically just art and words. Read the quotes from the last Creative Director’s Letter posted as a response above.

Steven himself said in that letter that the team “will be focused on updating you (the community) more frequently with a look into our progress on systems and designs” and that they will be “giving you (the community) greater sight into the development of the systems and mechanics that go into creating what will be the greatest MMORPG”.

The quotes above do not describe art and words. So please don’t tell me that I’m reading into things that aren’t there or that my idea just simply doesn’t align with what was shown. The quotes above are from Steven himself. So help me understand how I’m being ridiculous in my statements and expectations of more than just art and words?

These are all things they have done since the March CD letter (see below list)

Information after information. Even some snapchat updates about the development of the castle sieges.
APOC itself uses assets from the MMORPG and is being used to test the MMO combat. They are feeding us slowly but it's there in black and white and in digital to review. Again I stand by my statement from before of
Art and words are part of the development process. Just because your idea of what you wanted to see didn't align with what was shown doesn't discredit the information that was given.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Recent_media
2019-11-22 Livestream
2019-11-07 Discord lore reading and Q&A
2019-11-07 Blog: Servant of the Damned (Creation of the Cursed Charger)
2019-11-05 Newsletter
2019-11-05 Blog: Bounties of the Verdant Keeper
2019-11-02 Extra Life Livestream
2019-10-31 Livestream
2019-10-12 Newsletter
2019-10-12 Apocalypse gaming session with some lite QnA Livestream
2019-10-11 Blog: Forest of Erinthia game update
2019-10-11 Blog: Enter the Glorious Gourd Contest
2019-10-02 Blog: Shades Unseen
2019-10-02 Apocalypse QnA and Gaming Session Late Night Edition Livestream
2019-09-30 Blog: October Giveaway - Free Armor of the Autumn Knight
2019-09-30 Apocalypse Gaming Session Late Night Edition Livestream (Part II)
2019-09-30 Apocalypse Gaming Session Late Night Edition Livestream (Part I)
2019-09-27 Livestream
2019-09-27 Blog: Unlock a free Emberstorm Dragon
2019-09-24 Video - Ashes of Creation Apocalypse early access trailer
2019-09-19 Blog: Otterly playful
2019-09-18 Blog: Ashes of Creation Apocalypse heads into early access
2019-09-04 Newsletter
2019-08-29 Livestream
2019-08-28 Blog: The Order of the Luminous Levin
2019-08-21 Video - Ashes of Creation MMORPG Teaser
2019-08-15 Dungeon Crawler Network podcast interview with creative director Steven Sharif
2019-08-14 Discord Q&A
2019-08-14 Blog: Steam Announce And Play Test FAQ For Ashes of Creation Apocalypse
2019-08-09 Blog: A Noble Steed
2019-08-06 Newsletter
2019-08-02 Blog: Account servces update and downtime on August 5
2019-07-31 Blog: The Groves of Slumbering Shade
2019-07-30 Blog: Rocky Beginnings
2019-07-26 Livestream
2019-07-16 Blog: Creative Director's Letter and Mayoral Caravan System
2019-07-02 Newsletter
2019-07-02 Blog: The Maestros of Merriment
2019-06-28 Livestream
2019-06-27 Developer Diaries: Animation
2019-06-22 Blog: A Fell Venture (Creation of the Fellbeak Macaw)
2019-06-04 Newsletter
2019-05-30 Livestream
2019-05-29 Blog: Pilgramage of the Diviner
2019-05-28 Developer Diaries: Weapon Modeling
2019-05-23 Blog: Know Your Nodes - Economic Node Type
2019-05-07 Video - Ashes of Creation Lore of the Hippogryph
2019-04-30 Developer Diaries: Building Tech
2019-04-19 Steven Sharif Interview - The Golden Feather
2019-04-17 Steven Sharif Interview - Ashes Pathfinder
2019-04-15 Steven Sharif Interview - Paradox Gaming Network
2019-04-11 Steven Sharif Interview - Dungeon Crawler Network
2019-04-10 Blog: Know Your Nodes - Scientific Node Type
2019-04-04 Newsletter
2019-04-02 Blog: The Beastmasters of Niküa Cosmetics
2019-03-27 Developer Diaries: Node Tech
2019-03-26 Blog: Know Your Nodes - Advance and Destroy
2019-03-21 GDC 2019 Creative Director Interview
2019-03-16 Blog: Know Your Nodes - The Basics
2019-03-12 Blog: 10 Facts About Castle Sieges in the MMORPG
2019-03-08 Video - Ashes of Creation Apocalypse Castle Siege Gameplay
2019-03-08 Livestream
2019-03-07 Discord Q&A
2019-03-07 Blog: Creative Director's Letter

Yes, on paper that looks like a lot of information, but most that is just fluff. Like yesterday’s livestream most what Intrepid puts out has no substance.

The Know Your Nodes blogposts were great! But unfortunately they were short lived. They’ve had some good pieces of information released, but most of it is just little crumbs that don’t actually show much development. As you can see in my quotes from the CDL, Steven said that they want to give us updates on systems and mechanics.

And you should know that no one can take your list seriously when you include paid pre-launch cosmetics in your list of updates... come on man... paid cosmetics are not development updates.

I merely pasted that list, it's not my job to curate knowledge for you. You are intelligent enough to sift through the bits, however seeing that you took my response in the way you did only further proves my point of people wanting to hear what they want to. This is where I say good day.

Yes, that list proves my point. Most of the things on that list have no substance. So how does you posting a list full of fluff prove my point, that most of Intrepid’s communication lacks substance, wrong?

I thought you were making an argument to show that Intrepid is full of valuable updates, but instead you proved my point correct by posting a list of fluff. Yes, I am intelligent enough to sift through that list and see that it’s mostly fluff and that it even includes paid cosmetics. So what are you trying to say because you’re currently helping my point?

Edit: whether you wrote the list or just copy pasted doesn’t make a difference since you ended up using it to prove a point.

Wandering Mist

vmangman wrote: »

Makinoji wrote: »

vmangman wrote: »

Makinoji wrote: »

vmangman wrote: »

Makinoji wrote: »

Art and words are part of the development process. Just because your idea of what you wanted to see didn't align with what was shown doesn't discredit the information that was given.

Idk why certain people keep reading into things that aren't there or true and spread panic but to each their own.

There’s been months of basically just art and words. Read the quotes from the last Creative Director’s Letter posted as a response above.

Steven himself said in that letter that the team “will be focused on updating you (the community) more frequently with a look into our progress on systems and designs” and that they will be “giving you (the community) greater sight into the development of the systems and mechanics that go into creating what will be the greatest MMORPG”.

The quotes above do not describe art and words. So please don’t tell me that I’m reading into things that aren’t there or that my idea just simply doesn’t align with what was shown. The quotes above are from Steven himself. So help me understand how I’m being ridiculous in my statements and expectations of more than just art and words?

These are all things they have done since the March CD letter (see below list)

Information after information. Even some snapchat updates about the development of the castle sieges.
APOC itself uses assets from the MMORPG and is being used to test the MMO combat. They are feeding us slowly but it's there in black and white and in digital to review. Again I stand by my statement from before of
Art and words are part of the development process. Just because your idea of what you wanted to see didn't align with what was shown doesn't discredit the information that was given.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Recent_media
2019-11-22 Livestream
2019-11-07 Discord lore reading and Q&A
2019-11-07 Blog: Servant of the Damned (Creation of the Cursed Charger)
2019-11-05 Newsletter
2019-11-05 Blog: Bounties of the Verdant Keeper
2019-11-02 Extra Life Livestream
2019-10-31 Livestream
2019-10-12 Newsletter
2019-10-12 Apocalypse gaming session with some lite QnA Livestream
2019-10-11 Blog: Forest of Erinthia game update
2019-10-11 Blog: Enter the Glorious Gourd Contest
2019-10-02 Blog: Shades Unseen
2019-10-02 Apocalypse QnA and Gaming Session Late Night Edition Livestream
2019-09-30 Blog: October Giveaway - Free Armor of the Autumn Knight
2019-09-30 Apocalypse Gaming Session Late Night Edition Livestream (Part II)
2019-09-30 Apocalypse Gaming Session Late Night Edition Livestream (Part I)
2019-09-27 Livestream
2019-09-27 Blog: Unlock a free Emberstorm Dragon
2019-09-24 Video - Ashes of Creation Apocalypse early access trailer
2019-09-19 Blog: Otterly playful
2019-09-18 Blog: Ashes of Creation Apocalypse heads into early access
2019-09-04 Newsletter
2019-08-29 Livestream
2019-08-28 Blog: The Order of the Luminous Levin
2019-08-21 Video - Ashes of Creation MMORPG Teaser
2019-08-15 Dungeon Crawler Network podcast interview with creative director Steven Sharif
2019-08-14 Discord Q&A
2019-08-14 Blog: Steam Announce And Play Test FAQ For Ashes of Creation Apocalypse
2019-08-09 Blog: A Noble Steed
2019-08-06 Newsletter
2019-08-02 Blog: Account servces update and downtime on August 5
2019-07-31 Blog: The Groves of Slumbering Shade
2019-07-30 Blog: Rocky Beginnings
2019-07-26 Livestream
2019-07-16 Blog: Creative Director's Letter and Mayoral Caravan System
2019-07-02 Newsletter
2019-07-02 Blog: The Maestros of Merriment
2019-06-28 Livestream
2019-06-27 Developer Diaries: Animation
2019-06-22 Blog: A Fell Venture (Creation of the Fellbeak Macaw)
2019-06-04 Newsletter
2019-05-30 Livestream
2019-05-29 Blog: Pilgramage of the Diviner
2019-05-28 Developer Diaries: Weapon Modeling
2019-05-23 Blog: Know Your Nodes - Economic Node Type
2019-05-07 Video - Ashes of Creation Lore of the Hippogryph
2019-04-30 Developer Diaries: Building Tech
2019-04-19 Steven Sharif Interview - The Golden Feather
2019-04-17 Steven Sharif Interview - Ashes Pathfinder
2019-04-15 Steven Sharif Interview - Paradox Gaming Network
2019-04-11 Steven Sharif Interview - Dungeon Crawler Network
2019-04-10 Blog: Know Your Nodes - Scientific Node Type
2019-04-04 Newsletter
2019-04-02 Blog: The Beastmasters of Niküa Cosmetics
2019-03-27 Developer Diaries: Node Tech
2019-03-26 Blog: Know Your Nodes - Advance and Destroy
2019-03-21 GDC 2019 Creative Director Interview
2019-03-16 Blog: Know Your Nodes - The Basics
2019-03-12 Blog: 10 Facts About Castle Sieges in the MMORPG
2019-03-08 Video - Ashes of Creation Apocalypse Castle Siege Gameplay
2019-03-08 Livestream
2019-03-07 Discord Q&A
2019-03-07 Blog: Creative Director's Letter

Yes, on paper that looks like a lot of information, but most that is just fluff. Like yesterday’s livestream most what Intrepid puts out has no substance.

The Know Your Nodes blogposts were great! But unfortunately they were short lived. They’ve had some good pieces of information released, but most of it is just little crumbs that don’t actually show much development. As you can see in my quotes from the CDL, Steven said that they want to give us updates on systems and mechanics.

And you should know that no one can take your list seriously when you include paid pre-launch cosmetics in your list of updates... come on man... paid cosmetics are not development updates.

I merely pasted that list, it's not my job to curate knowledge for you. You are intelligent enough to sift through the bits, however seeing that you took my response in the way you did only further proves my point of people wanting to hear what they want to. This is where I say good day.

Yes, that list proves my point. Most of the things on that list have no substance. So how does you posting a list full of fluff prove my point, that most of Intrepid’s communication lacks substance, wrong?

I thought you were making an argument to show that Intrepid is full of valuable updates, but instead you proved my point correct by posting a list of fluff. Yes, I am intelligent enough to sift through that list and see that it’s mostly fluff and that it even includes paid cosmetics. So what are you trying to say because you’re currently helping my point?

Edit: whether you wrote the list or just copy pasted doesn’t make a difference since you ended up using it to prove a point.

I consider this a bit of a catch 22 situation for Intrepid. The community have demanded regular updates but games development is a slow process. Weekly updates aren't going to yield much new information that the community will understand. So either Intrepid keep up the regular updates that are largely "fluff", or they stay quiet until something substantial happens, which wouldn't be regular at all.

Of course, the way you write these threads comes across as you thinking that there is something malicious going on. Do you believe that either Intrepid are holding out on us with information or that they are slacking off?

VmanGman

Wandering Mist wrote: »

vmangman wrote: »

Makinoji wrote: »

vmangman wrote: »

Makinoji wrote: »

vmangman wrote: »

Makinoji wrote: »

Art and words are part of the development process. Just because your idea of what you wanted to see didn't align with what was shown doesn't discredit the information that was given.

Idk why certain people keep reading into things that aren't there or true and spread panic but to each their own.

There’s been months of basically just art and words. Read the quotes from the last Creative Director’s Letter posted as a response above.

Steven himself said in that letter that the team “will be focused on updating you (the community) more frequently with a look into our progress on systems and designs” and that they will be “giving you (the community) greater sight into the development of the systems and mechanics that go into creating what will be the greatest MMORPG”.

The quotes above do not describe art and words. So please don’t tell me that I’m reading into things that aren’t there or that my idea just simply doesn’t align with what was shown. The quotes above are from Steven himself. So help me understand how I’m being ridiculous in my statements and expectations of more than just art and words?

These are all things they have done since the March CD letter (see below list)

Information after information. Even some snapchat updates about the development of the castle sieges.
APOC itself uses assets from the MMORPG and is being used to test the MMO combat. They are feeding us slowly but it's there in black and white and in digital to review. Again I stand by my statement from before of
Art and words are part of the development process. Just because your idea of what you wanted to see didn't align with what was shown doesn't discredit the information that was given.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Recent_media
2019-11-22 Livestream
2019-11-07 Discord lore reading and Q&A
2019-11-07 Blog: Servant of the Damned (Creation of the Cursed Charger)
2019-11-05 Newsletter
2019-11-05 Blog: Bounties of the Verdant Keeper
2019-11-02 Extra Life Livestream
2019-10-31 Livestream
2019-10-12 Newsletter
2019-10-12 Apocalypse gaming session with some lite QnA Livestream
2019-10-11 Blog: Forest of Erinthia game update
2019-10-11 Blog: Enter the Glorious Gourd Contest
2019-10-02 Blog: Shades Unseen
2019-10-02 Apocalypse QnA and Gaming Session Late Night Edition Livestream
2019-09-30 Blog: October Giveaway - Free Armor of the Autumn Knight
2019-09-30 Apocalypse Gaming Session Late Night Edition Livestream (Part II)
2019-09-30 Apocalypse Gaming Session Late Night Edition Livestream (Part I)
2019-09-27 Livestream
2019-09-27 Blog: Unlock a free Emberstorm Dragon
2019-09-24 Video - Ashes of Creation Apocalypse early access trailer
2019-09-19 Blog: Otterly playful
2019-09-18 Blog: Ashes of Creation Apocalypse heads into early access
2019-09-04 Newsletter
2019-08-29 Livestream
2019-08-28 Blog: The Order of the Luminous Levin
2019-08-21 Video - Ashes of Creation MMORPG Teaser
2019-08-15 Dungeon Crawler Network podcast interview with creative director Steven Sharif
2019-08-14 Discord Q&A
2019-08-14 Blog: Steam Announce And Play Test FAQ For Ashes of Creation Apocalypse
2019-08-09 Blog: A Noble Steed
2019-08-06 Newsletter
2019-08-02 Blog: Account servces update and downtime on August 5
2019-07-31 Blog: The Groves of Slumbering Shade
2019-07-30 Blog: Rocky Beginnings
2019-07-26 Livestream
2019-07-16 Blog: Creative Director's Letter and Mayoral Caravan System
2019-07-02 Newsletter
2019-07-02 Blog: The Maestros of Merriment
2019-06-28 Livestream
2019-06-27 Developer Diaries: Animation
2019-06-22 Blog: A Fell Venture (Creation of the Fellbeak Macaw)
2019-06-04 Newsletter
2019-05-30 Livestream
2019-05-29 Blog: Pilgramage of the Diviner
2019-05-28 Developer Diaries: Weapon Modeling
2019-05-23 Blog: Know Your Nodes - Economic Node Type
2019-05-07 Video - Ashes of Creation Lore of the Hippogryph
2019-04-30 Developer Diaries: Building Tech
2019-04-19 Steven Sharif Interview - The Golden Feather
2019-04-17 Steven Sharif Interview - Ashes Pathfinder
2019-04-15 Steven Sharif Interview - Paradox Gaming Network
2019-04-11 Steven Sharif Interview - Dungeon Crawler Network
2019-04-10 Blog: Know Your Nodes - Scientific Node Type
2019-04-04 Newsletter
2019-04-02 Blog: The Beastmasters of Niküa Cosmetics
2019-03-27 Developer Diaries: Node Tech
2019-03-26 Blog: Know Your Nodes - Advance and Destroy
2019-03-21 GDC 2019 Creative Director Interview
2019-03-16 Blog: Know Your Nodes - The Basics
2019-03-12 Blog: 10 Facts About Castle Sieges in the MMORPG
2019-03-08 Video - Ashes of Creation Apocalypse Castle Siege Gameplay
2019-03-08 Livestream
2019-03-07 Discord Q&A
2019-03-07 Blog: Creative Director's Letter

Yes, on paper that looks like a lot of information, but most that is just fluff. Like yesterday’s livestream most what Intrepid puts out has no substance.

The Know Your Nodes blogposts were great! But unfortunately they were short lived. They’ve had some good pieces of information released, but most of it is just little crumbs that don’t actually show much development. As you can see in my quotes from the CDL, Steven said that they want to give us updates on systems and mechanics.

And you should know that no one can take your list seriously when you include paid pre-launch cosmetics in your list of updates... come on man... paid cosmetics are not development updates.

I merely pasted that list, it's not my job to curate knowledge for you. You are intelligent enough to sift through the bits, however seeing that you took my response in the way you did only further proves my point of people wanting to hear what they want to. This is where I say good day.

Yes, that list proves my point. Most of the things on that list have no substance. So how does you posting a list full of fluff prove my point, that most of Intrepid’s communication lacks substance, wrong?

I thought you were making an argument to show that Intrepid is full of valuable updates, but instead you proved my point correct by posting a list of fluff. Yes, I am intelligent enough to sift through that list and see that it’s mostly fluff and that it even includes paid cosmetics. So what are you trying to say because you’re currently helping my point?

Edit: whether you wrote the list or just copy pasted doesn’t make a difference since you ended up using it to prove a point.

I consider this a bit of a catch 22 situation for Intrepid. The community have demanded regular updates but games development is a slow process. Weekly updates aren't going to yield much new information that the community will understand. So either Intrepid keep up the regular updates that are largely "fluff", or they stay quiet until something substantial happens, which wouldn't be regular at all.

Of course, the way you write these threads comes across as you thinking that there is something malicious going on. Do you believe that either Intrepid are holding out on us with information or that they are slacking off?

The last substantial update was the last Know Your Nodes blog. That was six months ago. I explained all of this in another thread.

So yes, when in 6 months of development we’re basically only getting fluff I will call Intrepid out.

I’m just saying that they’re not being honest and someone needs to call them out. When after 6 months of development with almost no substantial update and a missed self imposed Creative Director’s Letter we get a livestream as lackluster as yesterday’s something needs to be said.

Noaani

vmangman wrote: »

So yes, when in 6 months of development we’re basically only getting fluff I will call Intrepid out.

In what way are you qualified to call out a game developer?

Caeryl

We all know people are gonna bitch and moan up to and after they show us a completed game

Noaani

Caeryl wrote: »

We all know people are gonna bitch and moan up to and after they show us a completed game

Yeah, some people are never happy.

I don't get the complaint. The OP complains that all the developers showed us was art and words, and he wants to see destruction. Destruction is just art.

Its like some people don't realize that producing a game of this size is a massive undertaking - one that takes 5 years or longer - and that the first half of that will produce almost nothing at all to show.

It also doesn't help that these same people somehow seem to think an MMO can begin development before the company has money to pay for said development. Basically, it's just obvious to me that some people just don't understand how the world works.

VmanGman

noaani wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

We all know people are gonna bitch and moan up to and after they show us a completed game

Yeah, some people are never happy.

I don't get the complaint. The OP complains that all the developers showed us was art and words, and he wants to see destruction. Destruction is just art.

Its like some people don't realize that producing a game of this size is a massive undertaking - one that takes 5 years or longer - and that the first half of that will produce almost nothing at all to show.

It also doesn't help that these same people somehow seem to think an MMO can begin development before the company has money to pay for said development. Basically, it's just obvious to me that some people just don't understand how the world works.

Bro, you are so full of shit. Stop talking because you’re wasting everyone’s time. It’s absolutely impossible to have an intelligent conversation with you because you literally just spew nonsense out of your bum at all times.

I’ll now make bullet points in hopes that you might somehow by a miracle understand simple things:
-I didn’t ask for destruction. I asked for substance. Destruction was just an example because Intrepid does so much talking about it.
-destruction is literally not just art. That’s why it’s taking them so long to show it because it’s complex and they want to have something really good to show. Are you an idiot? How can you possibly claim that destruction is just art?????
-the first half of the development literally produced a playable BR so you’re an idiot for saying it’s nonsense for people to expect something to be shown after the first half. They’re literally showing a playable BR after the first half so how can you say that the first half had nothing to show for it?????
-what are you taking about when you say that Intrepid couldn’t start development before they had the money? Steven has said from the very beginning that he has the money to self fund and that the Kickstarter was merely a way to get the community involved and to expand the scope of the game.

I keep messaging you back hoping that you’ll get your head out of you bum and put forward a coherent thought that makes sense within the conversation, but you fail to do so over and over again. It’s an absolute waste of time talking to you.

Makinoji

I think you should stick to reddit, seems they will feed your anger and frustration more.

Everyone here has made valid points of discussion and I believe this post has had its run.

VmanGman

Makinoji wrote: »

I think you should stick to reddit, seems they will feed your anger and frustration more.

Everyone here has made valid points of discussion and I believe this post has had its run.

I’m good thanks.
You didn’t answer when I said that your list proves my point.
And Noaani’s points are literally nonsense, as I showed in my response to him. If you think I’m wrong in the counter arguments I brought to his points please explain. Almost nothing of what he said is a valid point.

Makinoji

vmangman wrote: »

Makinoji wrote: »

I think you should stick to reddit, seems they will feed your anger and frustration more.

Everyone here has made valid points of discussion and I believe this post has had its run.

I’m good thanks.
You didn’t answer when I said that your list proves my point.
And Noaani’s points are literally nonsense, as I showed in my response to him. If you think I’m wrong in the counter arguments I brought to his points please explain. Almost nothing of what he said is a valid point.

That list was for you to look over not for me to dissect for you as I said before. If you wanted the non-fluff you'd find it but you're so focused on what you want to see and hear.

I don't blame anyone for not responding to you when you tell them this, which is a violation of the forum rules...

"Bro, you are so full of shit. Stop talking because you’re wasting everyone’s time. It’s absolutely impossible to have an intelligent conversation with you because you literally just spew nonsense out of your bum at all times"

Once that happens there's actually no point to further any discussions.

VmanGman

Makinoji wrote: »

vmangman wrote: »

Makinoji wrote: »

I think you should stick to reddit, seems they will feed your anger and frustration more.

Everyone here has made valid points of discussion and I believe this post has had its run.

I’m good thanks.
You didn’t answer when I said that your list proves my point.
And Noaani’s points are literally nonsense, as I showed in my response to him. If you think I’m wrong in the counter arguments I brought to his points please explain. Almost nothing of what he said is a valid point.

That list was for you to look over not for me to dissect for you as I said before. If you wanted the non-fluff you'd find it but you're so focused on what you want to see and hear.

I don't blame anyone for not responding to you when you tell them this, which is a violation of the forum rules...

"Bro, you are so full of shit. Stop talking because you’re wasting everyone’s time. It’s absolutely impossible to have an intelligent conversation with you because you literally just spew nonsense out of your bum at all times"

Once that happens there's actually no point to further any discussions.

The point is that that list is full of fluff. Yes, there are some non-fluff elements, but they are no where close to the majority. The list is full of fluff and I don’t need to look through it much to see that especially since I’ve kept up with all development since the beginning.

And Noaani always talks out of his bum. I’ve called him out on it over and over again across multiple threads and his blatant lying in this thread was the last straw. Yes, I was harsh, but he is literally lying to our faces: “destruction is just art”? “ It also doesn't help that these same people somehow seem to think an MMO can begin development before the company has money to pay for said development”? Destruction is not just art and Ashes definitely had funding before the Kickstarter because Steven is fully funding it. Those are complete lies and he constantly uses lies to support his points. I’ve had enough of him constantly spewing them.

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