Quick Question on Classes (and Subclasses)

Here is how I see it:
There are 8 base classes, and those have 8 further subclasses for each base class.

Each base class has its given skillset and "philosophy". A fighter is a melee dps, a rogue is slippery, a tank is indestructible. The subclasses then change the way how they fulfill that role. A fighter/rogue for example then relies on dodge and single target dmg, while a fighter/spellsword relies on magically supported movements and attacks.

Atama

Think of it as 8 classes, each one having 8 “specialties” if it helps. I’m not sure what MMOs you’re familiar with but often you will start with a basic class, like “Warrior”, then later specialize to being a “Tank” who has a shield and resists damage but doesn’t deal much, or a “Berserker” who sacrifices defense for huge damage attacks with a giant sword, and so on.

In this case like @Damokles said you have one of 8 main classes which is later modified by adding one of the 8 classes as a subclass. Note that your main class and subclass can be identical, so you’re really doubling down on your main role. A Ranger/Ranger will be really good at Rangering, while a Ranger/Cleric gets healing powers, a Ranger/Tank is tough, etc.

They’ve given actual names to all of the different combinations of class and subclass to present 64 different classes, but really they are just 8 classes each with 8 different “flavors” to modify them.

Real details are sparse. We don’t even know much about more than 4 of the 8 basic classes at this point, and very few details about how the subclasses will modify each main class. We mostly know the general idea behind the system and won’t know real details until there is more progress on the MMORPG itself.

voidshadow

https://ashesofcreation.com/news/class-list

Basically what the above said. 8 base classes and you can double down on the one you chose or choose a different class as your "second" class or subclass and that will change the way your original class choice performs

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We expect some name changes, but the basic idea will still be there.

Dygz wrote: »

We expect some name changes, but the basic idea will still be there.

when was that said? I thought all the names were already set?

What I wrote is a player perspective; not a dev perspective.
If I knew of a definitive dev quote, I would have written "There will be some name changes..."

Atama

Maybe we can say, we expect name changes, but will be disappointed.

Or, "It's possible there may be some name changes, but..."

My question for the livestream is:
Are they 64 classes, or 8 base classes and each of them in turn have 8 subclasses.

Too many people are confused in the forums about this...

Damokles wrote: »

My question for the livestream is:
Are they 64 classes, or 8 base classes and each of them in turn have 8 subclasses.

Too many people are confused in the forums about this...

I always thought it was 8 main classes with each subclass changing some of the skills

Nagash wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

My question for the livestream is:
Are they 64 classes, or 8 base classes and each of them in turn have 8 subclasses.

Too many people are confused in the forums about this...

I always thought it was 8 main classes with each subclass changing some of the skills

Yes, but there are also some people that say that they are all 64 classes. Its mainly a terminology thing.

Damokles wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

My question for the livestream is:
Are they 64 classes, or 8 base classes and each of them in turn have 8 subclasses.

Too many people are confused in the forums about this...

I always thought it was 8 main classes with each subclass changing some of the skills

Yes, but there are also some people that say that they are all 64 classes. Its mainly a terminology thing.

I see. I sware we should have the wiki hard-linked to the forum

Damokles wrote: »

Yes, but there are also some people that say that they are all 64 classes. Its mainly a terminology thing.

The official terminology is 8 Primary Archetypes and 64 Classes.
Those are the official labels - but it's the same concept as 8 Base Classes and 64 Sub-classes.

Noaani

Yeah, the fact is it's just terminology.

You can look at it as being 8 classes each with 8 sub-classes, or 64 classes. While there is an official terminology, neither is a wrong way to look at it if you are comparing to existing games for how you want to define class.

Its just a concept as Dygz said, and what ever works best for the individual is probably right.

@Dygz @noaani
1. I am proud of you guys, that you finally found something to agree on.
2. Thats why I asked in my livestream question, what is the current right terminology.

Steven sometimes slips and says class instead of archetype. I don't recall hearing him say sub-class.
But, what's really important is the concept; not the label.

Atama

Dygz wrote: »

Steven sometimes slips and says class instead of archetype. I don't recall hearing him say sub-class.
But, what's really important is the concept; not the label.

Yup, agree 100%.

I do wonder what a game with 64 classes would look like