Why Anime related content wont fit into AOC.

Within the last 5 years, there has been an increased influence of eastern themed trends within western society, especially when it comes to gaming and online entertainment. Anime related content can be found all over western games and eastern publishers push their games more and more into the west on console, mobile, and pc.

So why does anime related content not fit within Ashes, as far as I can recall (and correct me if I am wrong) Intrepid wants to bring back the old school feels of an MMORPG and one big subject of that goal will be immersion. In western fantasy games, the amount of ****, fox girl, or stripper armor is zero and you have more focus on Lore as well as relatable characters.

As we can see on our discord we already have members oversexualizing Ashes related characters like Tulnar and so on, In my opinion, Ashes wants to draw a straight Line in the sand and say we are not Like that. Having things like listed above allows the game to become something that is more like an outlet for fetishes than a MMORPG. We do know **** are not in Ashes, in your opinion should Ashes allow more Anime and eastern trends or should they just straight up, stay away from all that.

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Wandering Mist

I know who you're referring to on the Ashes Discord, and do you really think that those people truly wish to fetishise the Tulnar? Or do you think it's more likely they do it because they know it provokes a reaction in people like yourself?

Regardless, I'm sure Steven is well aware of the fanservice trends that tend to crop up and will not let Ashes slip too far.

GrinningJack

Wandering Mist wrote: »

I know who you're referring to on the Ashes Discord, and do you really think that those people truly wish to fetishise the Tulnar? Or do you think it's more likely they do it because they know it provokes a reaction in people like yourself?

Regardless, I'm sure Steven is well aware of the fanservice trends that tend to crop up and will not let Ashes slip too far.

Since I reduced my interactions with the discord by at least half compared to the earlier years I doubt this is the case. Otherwise the people that you think I am referring to would be the biggest trolls on the discord. :P and between you and me I see stuff on the discord sometimes that just turns me off from even getting involved.

Agree, I hop it wont slip at all

Nagash

While I don't think most anime themes would fit into the world of ashes, I believe that some inspiration from anime/manga would not be a problem as long as it makes sense for the world. The main problem is people think anime/manga is just catgirls and bad isekais (which I get) yet some of the best world-building and writing can come from these (berserk) the problem is not so much the genre but the fans who make it odd which can be said of anything really.

GrinningJack

Nagash wrote: »

While I don't think most anime themes would fit into the world of ashes, I believe that some inspiration from anime/manga would not be a problem as long as it makes sense for the world. The main problem is people think anime/manga is just catgirls and bad isekais (which I get) yet some of the best world-building and writing can come from these (berserk) the problem is not so much the genre but the fans who make it odd which can be said of anything really.

I would argue that berserk has his inspiration from other things, like the Viking and eastern European lore and so on.

Nagash

BCG l LordofSalt wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

While I don't think most anime themes would fit into the world of ashes, I believe that some inspiration from anime/manga would not be a problem as long as it makes sense for the world. The main problem is people think anime/manga is just catgirls and bad isekais (which I get) yet some of the best world-building and writing can come from these (berserk) the problem is not so much the genre but the fans who make it odd which can be said of anything really.

I would argue that berserk has his inspiration from other things, like the Viking and eastern European lore and so on.

agreed it does take inspiration from other things but the golden age arc is mainly based on the 100-year war. The point I was making is not all anime is bad in some cases it can epic.

GrinningJack

Nagash wrote: »

BCG l LordofSalt wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

While I don't think most anime themes would fit into the world of ashes, I believe that some inspiration from anime/manga would not be a problem as long as it makes sense for the world. The main problem is people think anime/manga is just catgirls and bad isekais (which I get) yet some of the best world-building and writing can come from these (berserk) the problem is not so much the genre but the fans who make it odd which can be said of anything really.

I would argue that berserk has his inspiration from other things, like the Viking and eastern European lore and so on.

agreed it does take inspiration from other things but the golden age arc is mainly based on the 100-year war. The point I was making is not all anime is bad in some cases it can epic.

I would agree but, as I stated in recent years the trend has gone in the other way.

Amist

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one. Anime covers a large variety of both good and bad ideas that can be implemented aesthetically and game mechanic-wise into an MMO world. I agree that the common anime tropes of ****, stripper armor, etc. should not be as prominent as many of AoC's other systems, but if we take away the fx. gross sexualisation of underage girls and look at it from a perspective of deities that are not dressed sexually, but perhaps are still powerful and look younger than they actually are, I think it could make for some interesting storytelling.

Anime, just like any other cartoon form draw from a place of imagination and stories and there are plenty of ways that elements of the genre can be incooperated without it needing to be sexualisation or fetishisation of certain groups of people.

I am a huge fan of the anime movies made by Studio Ghibli, especially Howl's Moving Castle, as there are so many fantastical and whimsical elements that I find myself enjoying in MMO's also. Both anime and online videogames often provide an escape from the real world and should most certainly be able to draw inspiration from one another.

Nagash

BCG l LordofSalt wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

BCG l LordofSalt wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

While I don't think most anime themes would fit into the world of ashes, I believe that some inspiration from anime/manga would not be a problem as long as it makes sense for the world. The main problem is people think anime/manga is just catgirls and bad isekais (which I get) yet some of the best world-building and writing can come from these (berserk) the problem is not so much the genre but the fans who make it odd which can be said of anything really.

I would argue that berserk has his inspiration from other things, like the Viking and eastern European lore and so on.

agreed it does take inspiration from other things but the golden age arc is mainly based on the 100-year war. The point I was making is not all anime is bad in some cases it can epic.

I would agree but, as I stated in recent years the trend has gone in the other way.

I blame the fans more than anything else to be honest

GrinningJack

Nagash wrote: »

BCG l LordofSalt wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

BCG l LordofSalt wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

While I don't think most anime themes would fit into the world of ashes, I believe that some inspiration from anime/manga would not be a problem as long as it makes sense for the world. The main problem is people think anime/manga is just catgirls and bad isekais (which I get) yet some of the best world-building and writing can come from these (berserk) the problem is not so much the genre but the fans who make it odd which can be said of anything really.

I would argue that berserk has his inspiration from other things, like the Viking and eastern European lore and so on.

agreed it does take inspiration from other things but the golden age arc is mainly based on the 100-year war. The point I was making is not all anime is bad in some cases it can epic.

I would agree but, as I stated in recent years the trend has gone in the other way.

I blame the fans more than anything else to be honest

I mean yeah of course, no doubt about that.

Wandering Mist

BCG l LordofSalt wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

BCG l LordofSalt wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

BCG l LordofSalt wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

While I don't think most anime themes would fit into the world of ashes, I believe that some inspiration from anime/manga would not be a problem as long as it makes sense for the world. The main problem is people think anime/manga is just catgirls and bad isekais (which I get) yet some of the best world-building and writing can come from these (berserk) the problem is not so much the genre but the fans who make it odd which can be said of anything really.

I would argue that berserk has his inspiration from other things, like the Viking and eastern European lore and so on.

agreed it does take inspiration from other things but the golden age arc is mainly based on the 100-year war. The point I was making is not all anime is bad in some cases it can epic.

I would agree but, as I stated in recent years the trend has gone in the other way.

I blame the fans more than anything else to be honest

I mean yeah of course, no doubt about that.

So, what I'm getting from this is that you aren't adverse to anime itself, but rather to very specific trends found in some anime.

GrinningJack

Wandering Mist wrote: »

BCG l LordofSalt wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

BCG l LordofSalt wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

BCG l LordofSalt wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

While I don't think most anime themes would fit into the world of ashes, I believe that some inspiration from anime/manga would not be a problem as long as it makes sense for the world. The main problem is people think anime/manga is just catgirls and bad isekais (which I get) yet some of the best world-building and writing can come from these (berserk) the problem is not so much the genre but the fans who make it odd which can be said of anything really.

I would argue that berserk has his inspiration from other things, like the Viking and eastern European lore and so on.

agreed it does take inspiration from other things but the golden age arc is mainly based on the 100-year war. The point I was making is not all anime is bad in some cases it can epic.

I would agree but, as I stated in recent years the trend has gone in the other way.

I blame the fans more than anything else to be honest

I mean yeah of course, no doubt about that.

So, what I'm getting from this is that you aren't adverse to anime itself, but rather to very specific trends found in some anime.

bingo and those trends making it into games since it increases a possible player base.

Nagash

So if it was trends that fit ashes you would be ok with that?

Wandering Mist

Nagash wrote: »

So if it was trends that fit ashes you would be ok with that?

Which anime trends do you think would work in Ashes?

Nagash

Wandering Mist wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

So if it was trends that fit ashes you would be ok with that?

Which anime trends do you think would work in Ashes?

the in-depth world-building I would say is the number one thing but the character design in some cases

GrinningJack

Nagash wrote: »

So if it was trends that fit ashes you would be ok with that?

If that case would ever present itself maybe, but since Ashes is going for more western type of look i highly doubt this will happen.

Wandering Mist wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

So if it was trends that fit ashes you would be ok with that?

Which anime trends do you think would work in Ashes?

None.

Nagash

trends don't just mean looks you know? it could be the type of storytelling, monster or locations.

GrinningJack

Nagash wrote: »

trends don't just mean looks you know? it could be the type of storytelling, monster or locations.

If you can find something that has not been done before or isn't based on something from the past maybe.

Nagash

BCG l LordofSalt wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

trends don't just mean looks you know? it could be the type of storytelling, monster or locations.

If you can find something that has not been done before or isn't based on something from the past maybe.

so if we had oni or kappas in ashes near the Ren'Kai to fit in with that theme would that be ok

GrinningJack

yeah since they are not you waifu trash stuff

also they are based on legends and myth and folk lore.

Nagash

to be fair almost every story is based on myth or legends but I get your point

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