Bots and Multibox ???

Dear developers, I beg you, do not let BOTS and Multibox dominate Ashes of Creation, see Blizzard has lost all its dominance, today in the classic it is impossible to farm something without disputing with other 20 bots around you, showing that you care little for their consumers and they only think in the short term, which in the end is destroying the economy the servers and the community of real players!
Thank you and see you soon!

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Magic Man

Botting is prohibited however multiboxing is allowed. Now if you ask me, that is pretty tarded and many hardcore people may end up having multiple freeholds etc but Steven said he is okay with it soo. It is his game

It shall be however he wants it to be

unknownsystemerror

They pay their $15 they can do as they like. As long as they are not automating actions through scripts or bots then multi-boxing will be allowed. They have outlined several of the anti-botting features and mechanics they plan to have in game. Will they be effective? Too early to tell, but until they fail, best to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Wandering Mist

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

They pay their $15 they can do as they like. As long as they are not automating actions through scripts or bots then multi-boxing will be allowed. They have outlined several of the anti-botting features and mechanics they plan to have in game. Will they be effective? Too early to tell, but until they fail, best to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Multiboxing relies entirely on scripts unless you have 4 arms to use. What kind of scripts are you talking about?

George_Black

I hope with regards to multiboxing it wont be like L2.

Noaani

Wandering Mist wrote: »

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

They pay their $15 they can do as they like. As long as they are not automating actions through scripts or bots then multi-boxing will be allowed. They have outlined several of the anti-botting features and mechanics they plan to have in game. Will they be effective? Too early to tell, but until they fail, best to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Multiboxing relies entirely on scripts unless you have 4 arms to use. What kind of scripts are you talking about?

20 character multiboxing does require scripts, but that isn't the only multiboxing.

I've multiboxed in four MMO's, and not used any scripts in any of them (a script in this instance being any situation in which I would get more than one action out of one key press).

The most I've multiboxed like this is 4 characters at once, using two computers, keyboards and mice, and a whole lot of alt-tabbing. Now though, I'd just set up four cheap computers (or four VM's) on a single 4k monitor with PBP and run Synergy or something.

I have seen people clear single group content in WoW by themselves running 5 accounts without scripts.

Jamation

Sometimes I had another character going simply to have them in a party with me so I didn't feel so lonely...plus I got to make theme'd names! I'll never forget the time I managed to get both the names Romeo and Juliet.

Jahlon

So the problem with trying to deny people from having multiple accounts is how exactly do you stop it?

My wife and I both play games together. There was a point in time where we had 4 active players for the same game in the same house. 4 Players active at the same time.

People say limit it by IP address, well then you'll lose customers because if I can't play with my household, then I'm just not going to play your game.

Now for the people who are saying "mutli boxing requires scripts" sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.

In Eve Online I ran 4-6 accounts at the same time, all without scripts. One machine displaying 4 accounts, and then 2 other machines each displaying 1 account. Sometimes it was done with synergy, other times it was done with 2 keyboards on the desk and one in the keyboard tray. Its not impossible to switch between keyboards and mice if you have had to do for a career. If you want to argue that Synergy is a script (it isn't) then we can go old school with a KVM switch on the desk.

You don't need a script to get some automated support either. I went with the good ole fashion quarter between the 1 and 2 key to get a support character to keep casting AOE attack speed songs in Archeage. Sit the bard on my 2 person mount. The mount follows me. The bard continues to play songs while seated.

Noaani

Jahlon wrote: »

Sometimes it was done with synergy, other times it was done with 2 keyboards on the desk and one in the keyboard tray. Its not impossible to switch between keyboards and mice if you have had to do for a career. If you want to argue that Synergy is a script (it isn't) then we can go old school with a KVM switch on the desk.

What ever MMO I multibox in next, I'm debating on trying out an Elgato Streamdeck either through Synergy (have not looked in to if this will work yet), or in to one physical machine running several VM's.

I'm not sure which MMO this will be (may be Ashes, may not), but I think this may prove to be an efficient setup.

Ryufu

Wouldn't the PvP system allow you to kill the bots anyway? I think bots would have a bad time.

Atama

Ryufu wrote: »

Wouldn't the PvP system allow you to kill the bots anyway? I think bots would have a bad time.

They’d probably be green though, and you’d be taking on corruption.

mcstackerson

Notice how multi-boxing is very prevalent in classic but not retail, it's because the combat in classic made it easy to thrive. There is some chance that combat in ashes will make it harder to do, similar to how things are in retail.

We have collision, that alone means you can't stand on top of each other, increasing the difficulty of controlling multiple toons. Not only could it make controlling them a little more difficult but it also creates an easy avenue for you to be trolled. if you have a bunch of toons following you, If I park myself and/or my mount in from of them, you will most likely be forced to take manual control to get them around me which is time-consuming and there is nothing stopping me from doing this more then once.

There is also the death penalty to think about, wow doesn't have a very steep one but ashes does. Recouping from dying will take longer and be more expensive. The more toons you have, the more expensive and time-consuming it will be.

There will be people who try multiboxing but I doubt it will be as optimal a playstyle as it is in classic so I don't think it will be a problem where we have multiboxes destroying the market or any other aspect of the game.

Atama wrote: »

Ryufu wrote: »

Wouldn't the PvP system allow you to kill the bots anyway? I think bots would have a bad time.

They’d probably be green though, and you’d be taking on corruption.

There are some of us who will fall on that sword if needed.

Atama

mcstackerson wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

Ryufu wrote: »

Wouldn't the PvP system allow you to kill the bots anyway? I think bots would have a bad time.

They’d probably be green though, and you’d be taking on corruption.

There are some of us who will fall on that sword if needed.

New guild: Saints of Corruption

Noaani

mcstackerson wrote: »

There will be people who try multiboxing but I doubt it will be as optimal a playstyle as it is in classic

This is basically how I see it as well.

I'm unlikely to multibox in Ashes because many players have a negative reaction to multiboxing, and in Ashes, it will be very easy to interrupt a player attempting to multibox open content. Many people associate multiboxing with botting, scripts and third party RMT (which is understandable, as must bots also multibox), and it gives those of us that occasionally multibox for the challenge an impossible task of trying to point out that it is a legitimate game play option.

Since people have this negative view of multiboxing, and since Ashes will make it really easy to interrupt other players, I don't see it being worth trying to multibox at all in Ashes.

This is fine if the game offers up enough challenging content though, as my main reason for multiboxing in any game is to offer up a challenge that the game is not offering if I were to play it the more conventional way.

Comandantetrick

Many multiboxers here on debat , sorry for your ego. but Multiboxers ruim the community and the game , please stay out !

Noaani

PatrickWillian wrote: »

Many multiboxers here on debat , sorry for your ego. but Multiboxers ruim the community and the game , please stay out !

@PatrickWillian care to expand on this thinking at all?

Nagash

if you want to pay the money and keep to the rules, then there is no problem with multiboxing

Hartwell

I think there should at least be an attempt at limiting the number of accounts a person can multibox with. I know it may sound crazy, but there have been people who've multiboxed with over 40 characters on subscription games. In WoW, there was one that would go into cities to kill everything through focusing on one target through targeting macros.

Things that are added for convenience purposes for players end up being used to fuel this entire play style. Multiboxing can actually be stopped by stripping away certain conveniences. An example of this was actually demonstrated in WoW by mistake. There was an issue with people creating follow macros in battleground instances. The 'bots' were more than likely using common hardware macros in combination with in game macros to follow their teammates into battle, flagging the follow macro users as not AFK. To remedy this problem, Blizzard removed the follow command from battlegrounds. This indirectly threw a wrench into multiboxer setups. Crowd control tends to unstack characters of multiboxers, which can result in them being heavily inconvenienced without the follow command. Multiple characters following one lead character is how they restack and face the same direction so quickly.

Should there be a follow command in Ashes of Creation? Should there be target of target macros? That'll be up to Steven.

Edit: Here's a video of a guy that attempts to demonstrate restacking multiple characters without using follow in WoW.

Ventharien

Without botting i can't see why there would be any problem really with multiboxing. They paid their dues just like anyone else. I never have, as i only have the one machine and i'm more of an immersion in the thick of things guy, but with the ready made community of nodes, collision, and open world pvp, i just don't see it as a really problematic thing.

Atama wrote: »

New guild: Saints of Corruption

Sounds like fun!

tugowar

hartwell wrote: »

Should there be a follow command in Ashes of Creation? Should there be target of target macros?

Yes there should be a follow command.
Yes there should be target of target, but it's ok if it's not macro.

Hartwell

tugowar wrote: »

hartwell wrote: »

Should there be a follow command in Ashes of Creation? Should there be target of target macros?

Yes there should be a follow command.
Yes there should be target of target, but it's ok if it's not macro.

The target macro in WoW is pretty powerful. A multiboxer can group up with themselves and use a target raid member's target macro.

/target [@raid1target]

A macro to target a target could be made.

/target [@targettarget]

For targeting a target's target's target's target's target's target's target can be done too.

/target [@targettargettargettargettargettargettarget]

It just goes on and on. I was once trying to make a little bit of a cheap addon in WoW before I quit. It could target a target, target a target's target, then target their target's target's target, etc. Then every time it targeted somebody it would list their name and current health status in a list of health bar buttons. Basically it was a kind of... version of the addon Spy but with health bars? It sort of turned everybody into an unintentional Spy. Your own faction, your enemies... even NPCs. A simple mouse over was all that was needed. I was even planning on making it give health status updates via raid target of target. Pretty crazy stuff. I got lazy and never finished it, though.

Some games just aren't careful enough with what they give their clients.

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