About muling/twinking/metagaming/powergaming

1) Muling - using an alt to drop gold/gear/items in a safe location (namely your house/apartment or empty area) and logging in with your main to pick up 'said item to empower that character. Since there are no "dungeon masters" this would be more easily accomplished...is it not.

2) Twinking - dropping Black Scale Imperator with one character to be picked up by a brand new character /you like better/, or am I mistaken?

3) Metagaming - using out-of-character knowledge as a weapon to destroy someone in-character. Since there are no dedicated roleplay servers this would be a tad more difficult. Here on AoC, they will just either kill you in town, in the wilderness, or both. One vs one, group vs one, or group vs group.

4) Powergaming - all of the above into one Main.

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Jahlon

I'm sorry, is there a point to this discussion?

ZephronRedblade

Yes. Is muling, twinking, powergaming, metagaming monitored by the devs and if not how does the community feel about these issues?

Jamation

What you call Muling I think there are some things in place, or at least in talks, to prevent a ton of resource moving. But I might be mistaken on that.

I don't know what a Black Scale Imperator is...so I don't know what Twinking is by this definition...but I know it by something veeeery different...

I don't have any problems with metagaming as long as it's not malicious. Like if someone goes out of their way to murder a bunch of people RPing somewhere that'd be crummy, not something I'd want punished outside of the corruption system, but still crummy regardless.

As for monitoring though, they can't really monitor something if it's not available yet. I think once the game goes into Alpha 2 or beta they might look more into these things, but for right now I think they'll consider these topics and what to do if it ever becomes problematic for the health of the game and its community.

Wandering Mist

Power Gaming is something that a lot of players enjoy and personally I see nothing wrong with it. If someone wants to spend hours upon hours with spreadsheets meticulously working out what build does the absolute best damage, etc then uses that knowledge to win, I say "fair play to you good sir".

Ravudha

ZephronRedblade wrote: »

Yes. Is muling, twinking, powergaming, metagaming monitored by the devs and if not how does the community feel about these issues?

They're not monitored, unless they exploit game systems or violate the ToS in some way (i.e bullying/harassment). I don't really consider any of these as issues.

Metagaming is pretty much an accepted staple of MMORPGs, especially when it comes to things like guild diplomacy/interaction on Discord, theorycrafting, and players referring to online databases for information.

Noaani

There will be a system in place to be able to move items between characters on the same account. Likely in home storage.

I'm not sure why this would be against any rules, why players would have an opinion on it or why Intrepid would monitor it.

Twinking is likewise not going to be against any rules. If you have an alt character, of course you can use your main to bankroll them in to better gear than you would otherwise have.

Again, I'm not sure why this would be against any rules, why players would have an opinion on it or why Intrepid would monitor it.

Metagaming (or at least the way you are using it) is using the knowledge players have of the game. If I know your class well, and so know it's weaknesses, of course I will use that knowledge to defeat you. Why on earth wouldn't I?

And so once again, I'm not sure why this would be against any rules, why players would have an opinion on it or why Intrepid would monitor it.

Caeryl

You gave a list of commonly expected and undeniably useful ways to play any multi-character game, why would anyone have an issue with any of these things?

ZephronRedblade

MMO stands for "Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game."
Not just about 25 people.

unknownsystemerror

The Deep Purple lyrics made to seem like some deep quote tell the whole story.

Noaani

ZephronRedblade wrote: »

MMO stands for "Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game."
Not just about 25 people.

I'm not sure how any of what you are complaining about here impact this at all.

I mean, if I buy some armor on my main to give to an alt, how does that make the game less massively multiplayer?

ZephronRedblade

noaani wrote: »

ZephronRedblade wrote: »

MMO stands for "Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game."
Not just about 25 people.

I'm not sure how any of what you are complaining about here impact this at all.

I mean, if I buy some armor on my main to give to an alt, how does that make the game less massively multiplayer?

Actually it does not make the game less massively multiplayer per se, other mmorpgs had issues with this because it breaks roleplay immersion, which some of the community members /staff/devs/and DMs value greatly.

Atama

Roleplay immersion is almost surely not going to trump gameplay and fun in AoC. This isn’t a MUSH or online LARP. I’ve played and enjoyed those sorts of games, for many years actually, so don’t think I’m stigmatizing them, but most MMORPGs have a totally different culture and intention.

Caeryl

ZephronRedblade wrote: »

noaani wrote: »

ZephronRedblade wrote: »

MMO stands for "Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game."
Not just about 25 people.

I'm not sure how any of what you are complaining about here impact this at all.

I mean, if I buy some armor on my main to give to an alt, how does that make the game less massively multiplayer?

Actually it does not make the game less massively multiplayer per se, other mmorpgs had issues with this because it breaks roleplay immersion, which some of the community members /staff/devs/and DMs value greatly.

RP immersion isn’t a reason to remove basic functionality from a game that allows and encourages alts

ZephronRedblade

Maybe this is one of the main benefits of no dedicated RP server. Because of strict rules/guidelines that are imposed to "denote" them.

Noaani

ZephronRedblade wrote: »

other mmorpgs had issues with this because it breaks roleplay immersion

Which MMO's?

Atama

ZephronRedblade wrote: »

Maybe this is one of the main benefits of no dedicated RP server. Because of strict rules/guidelines that are imposed to "denote" them.

Yes, that is definitely a potential benefit.

ZephronRedblade

noaani wrote: »

ZephronRedblade wrote: »

other mmorpgs had issues with this because it breaks roleplay immersion

Which MMO's?

Neverwinter Nights, Neverwinter Nights 2, Legends of Aria, D&D Online, and a few others that had dedicated RP servers.

Legends of Aria also had a toolset that lets players build their own servers. The customization is actually pretty incredible, though a bit time-consuming and tedious.

Atama

ZephronRedblade wrote: »

noaani wrote: »

ZephronRedblade wrote: »

other mmorpgs had issues with this because it breaks roleplay immersion

Which MMO's?

Neverwinter Nights, Neverwinter Nights 2, Legends of Aria, D&D Online, and a few others that had dedicated RP servers.

I played both NWN games and neither were MMOs. They allowed for group online play but weren’t anywhere close to MMOs.

DDO doesn’t have a dedicated RP server, let alone one with mechanics or rules to limit the behavior you’re describing. Can you link to something supporting what you’re saying?

Legends of Aria is a complete sandbox game run by the players. It’s not even remotely related to AoC.

Noaani

Atama wrote: »

ZephronRedblade wrote: »

noaani wrote: »

ZephronRedblade wrote: »

other mmorpgs had issues with this because it breaks roleplay immersion

Which MMO's?

Neverwinter Nights, Neverwinter Nights 2, Legends of Aria, D&D Online, and a few others that had dedicated RP servers.

I played both NWN games and neither were MMOs. They allowed for group online play but weren’t anywhere close to MMOs.

DDO doesn’t have a dedicated RP server, let alone one with mechanics or rules to limit the behavior you’re describing. Can you link to something supporting what you’re saying?

Legends of Aria is a complete sandbox game run by the players. It’s not even remotely related to AoC.

This is basically the reply I was going to give.

I can understand there being a small subset of players that want this kind of thing in a game - but there wouldn't be an MMO developer that isn't ok with each of the above things.

If there were 10k+ players wanting a rule set like this, it would be all good asking Steven to put a server in with them in place (whether he would or not is a different question).

However, I would be surprised if you found even 1% of that number.

ZephronRedblade

Actually the point of the thread was already taken in before I edited the post to a select group of audience. Thanks for your expertise though.

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