GreatThodric wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » GreatThodric wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » What do you guys think the best representation of a Shadow Knight or Death Knight would be in AoC? A sort of dark knight, with spooky powers. Do you mean like an undead summoner type melee class, as in WoW? I don't think you can get that specific tbh. The closest I think you can get is the Summoner/Cleric (Necromancer) type. Using heavy armor and close combat weapons. Although the class itself might not synergize well with that gear, but idk. Nothing too specific, just daydreaming. I was thinking more like the necromancer/warrior hybrid-class Shadow Knight from EverQuest, but the Death Knight from WoW is pretty similar thematically. Summoner+Cleric (Necro) is by far the class I am most excited about. Then, yeah, Necromancer is what you're looking for. It's just the gear synergy that might mess it up a bit. Shifting you into a more ranged approach.
hazardnumberseven wrote: » GreatThodric wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » What do you guys think the best representation of a Shadow Knight or Death Knight would be in AoC? A sort of dark knight, with spooky powers. Do you mean like an undead summoner type melee class, as in WoW? I don't think you can get that specific tbh. The closest I think you can get is the Summoner/Cleric (Necromancer) type. Using heavy armor and close combat weapons. Although the class itself might not synergize well with that gear, but idk. Nothing too specific, just daydreaming. I was thinking more like the necromancer/warrior hybrid-class Shadow Knight from EverQuest, but the Death Knight from WoW is pretty similar thematically. Summoner+Cleric (Necro) is by far the class I am most excited about.
GreatThodric wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » What do you guys think the best representation of a Shadow Knight or Death Knight would be in AoC? A sort of dark knight, with spooky powers. Do you mean like an undead summoner type melee class, as in WoW? I don't think you can get that specific tbh. The closest I think you can get is the Summoner/Cleric (Necromancer) type. Using heavy armor and close combat weapons. Although the class itself might not synergize well with that gear, but idk.
hazardnumberseven wrote: » What do you guys think the best representation of a Shadow Knight or Death Knight would be in AoC? A sort of dark knight, with spooky powers.
Cold 0ne FTB wrote: » Do we know yet if tanks will be the only ones that can hold aggro or taunt? Or can characters that have a different primary archtype spec into tank to be able to preform the same role.
Varkun wrote: » I smell a shortage of tanks in this game.
hazardnumberseven wrote: » GreatThodric wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » GreatThodric wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » What do you guys think the best representation of a Shadow Knight or Death Knight would be in AoC? A sort of dark knight, with spooky powers. Do you mean like an undead summoner type melee class, as in WoW? I don't think you can get that specific tbh. The closest I think you can get is the Summoner/Cleric (Necromancer) type. Using heavy armor and close combat weapons. Although the class itself might not synergize well with that gear, but idk. Nothing too specific, just daydreaming. I was thinking more like the necromancer/warrior hybrid-class Shadow Knight from EverQuest, but the Death Knight from WoW is pretty similar thematically. Summoner+Cleric (Necro) is by far the class I am most excited about. Then, yeah, Necromancer is what you're looking for. It's just the gear synergy that might mess it up a bit. Shifting you into a more ranged approach. Y'know a plate wearing necromancer sounds kinda cool. I'm excited to see if I can pull it off!
GreatThodric wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » GreatThodric wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » GreatThodric wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » What do you guys think the best representation of a Shadow Knight or Death Knight would be in AoC? A sort of dark knight, with spooky powers. Do you mean like an undead summoner type melee class, as in WoW? I don't think you can get that specific tbh. The closest I think you can get is the Summoner/Cleric (Necromancer) type. Using heavy armor and close combat weapons. Although the class itself might not synergize well with that gear, but idk. Nothing too specific, just daydreaming. I was thinking more like the necromancer/warrior hybrid-class Shadow Knight from EverQuest, but the Death Knight from WoW is pretty similar thematically. Summoner+Cleric (Necro) is by far the class I am most excited about. Then, yeah, Necromancer is what you're looking for. It's just the gear synergy that might mess it up a bit. Shifting you into a more ranged approach. Y'know a plate wearing necromancer sounds kinda cool. I'm excited to see if I can pull it off! If you don't care much for min-maxing as I won't, then you can definitely go plate necro. That's the beauty of the system they're creating. I'll go for ranger/mage with leather gear personally, regardless of the meta. I just want to play my fantasy character. Games are supposed to be fun and I don't find following the meta to be fun at all. Varkun wrote: » I smell a shortage of tanks in this game. That's most likely the case, looking at every other MMO. I'm actually surprised to see as many Tank's in the straw poll as it is.
Aardvark wrote: » GreatThodric wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » GreatThodric wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » GreatThodric wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » What do you guys think the best representation of a Shadow Knight or Death Knight would be in AoC? A sort of dark knight, with spooky powers. Do you mean like an undead summoner type melee class, as in WoW? I don't think you can get that specific tbh. The closest I think you can get is the Summoner/Cleric (Necromancer) type. Using heavy armor and close combat weapons. Although the class itself might not synergize well with that gear, but idk. Nothing too specific, just daydreaming. I was thinking more like the necromancer/warrior hybrid-class Shadow Knight from EverQuest, but the Death Knight from WoW is pretty similar thematically. Summoner+Cleric (Necro) is by far the class I am most excited about. Then, yeah, Necromancer is what you're looking for. It's just the gear synergy that might mess it up a bit. Shifting you into a more ranged approach. Y'know a plate wearing necromancer sounds kinda cool. I'm excited to see if I can pull it off! If you don't care much for min-maxing as I won't, then you can definitely go plate necro. That's the beauty of the system they're creating. I'll go for ranger/mage with leather gear personally, regardless of the meta. I just want to play my fantasy character. Games are supposed to be fun and I don't find following the meta to be fun at all. Varkun wrote: » I smell a shortage of tanks in this game. That's most likely the case, looking at every other MMO. I'm actually surprised to see as many Tank's in the straw poll as it is. You definately can build sub optimal...unless you want to do the hardest content as noone wants to carry you through day after day in the dungeons.
U5urPator wrote: » GreatThodric wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » GreatThodric wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » GreatThodric wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » What do you guys think the best representation of a Shadow Knight or Death Knight would be in AoC? A sort of dark knight, with spooky powers. Do you mean like an undead summoner type melee class, as in WoW? I don't think you can get that specific tbh. The closest I think you can get is the Summoner/Cleric (Necromancer) type. Using heavy armor and close combat weapons. Although the class itself might not synergize well with that gear, but idk. Nothing too specific, just daydreaming. I was thinking more like the necromancer/warrior hybrid-class Shadow Knight from EverQuest, but the Death Knight from WoW is pretty similar thematically. Summoner+Cleric (Necro) is by far the class I am most excited about. Then, yeah, Necromancer is what you're looking for. It's just the gear synergy that might mess it up a bit. Shifting you into a more ranged approach. Y'know a plate wearing necromancer sounds kinda cool. I'm excited to see if I can pull it off! If you don't care much for min-maxing as I won't, then you can definitely go plate necro. That's the beauty of the system they're creating. I'll go for ranger/mage with leather gear personally, regardless of the meta. I just want to play my fantasy character. Games are supposed to be fun and I don't find following the meta to be fun at all. Varkun wrote: » I smell a shortage of tanks in this game. That's most likely the case, looking at every other MMO. I'm actually surprised to see as many Tank's in the straw poll as it is. I can assure you, that there will be a meta. The question only is, how broad of the meta will get. Let's say, each class will be viable and can have 3 different types of gear combinations, that would be ultra broad. However, it could also go into the opposite direction and we'll see a meta with only 4 out of the 8 archetypes and even there will be only one or two classes viable, which would be non fun.
GreatThodric wrote: » U5urPator wrote: » GreatThodric wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » GreatThodric wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » GreatThodric wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » What do you guys think the best representation of a Shadow Knight or Death Knight would be in AoC? A sort of dark knight, with spooky powers. Do you mean like an undead summoner type melee class, as in WoW? I don't think you can get that specific tbh. The closest I think you can get is the Summoner/Cleric (Necromancer) type. Using heavy armor and close combat weapons. Although the class itself might not synergize well with that gear, but idk. Nothing too specific, just daydreaming. I was thinking more like the necromancer/warrior hybrid-class Shadow Knight from EverQuest, but the Death Knight from WoW is pretty similar thematically. Summoner+Cleric (Necro) is by far the class I am most excited about. Then, yeah, Necromancer is what you're looking for. It's just the gear synergy that might mess it up a bit. Shifting you into a more ranged approach. Y'know a plate wearing necromancer sounds kinda cool. I'm excited to see if I can pull it off! If you don't care much for min-maxing as I won't, then you can definitely go plate necro. That's the beauty of the system they're creating. I'll go for ranger/mage with leather gear personally, regardless of the meta. I just want to play my fantasy character. Games are supposed to be fun and I don't find following the meta to be fun at all. Varkun wrote: » I smell a shortage of tanks in this game. That's most likely the case, looking at every other MMO. I'm actually surprised to see as many Tank's in the straw poll as it is. I can assure you, that there will be a meta. The question only is, how broad of the meta will get. Let's say, each class will be viable and can have 3 different types of gear combinations, that would be ultra broad. However, it could also go into the opposite direction and we'll see a meta with only 4 out of the 8 archetypes and even there will be only one or two classes viable, which would be non fun. But at the same time, I don't want to see a repeat of WoW where every class is viable for all content. You loose class identity when everyone can do everything equally well. IMO, balancing should only be dependent on how many players choose to play those classes and archetypes, I.E how fun they are. Not dependant on their DPS output. A mage should be a glass cannon and deal the most DPS. Dealing heavy damage in bursts but weak to damage and easily killed if the party isn't protecting them. A bard shouldn't be top DPS or Healing but still viable due to their buffs. The rogue should be the most viable in PVP. The ranger should have the highest survivability and sustained range damage output even if they can't compete with mages in DPS. Those are my feelings at least. Everyone should have a niche where they shine.
hazardnumberseven wrote: » GreatThodric wrote: » U5urPator wrote: » GreatThodric wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » GreatThodric wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » GreatThodric wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » What do you guys think the best representation of a Shadow Knight or Death Knight would be in AoC? A sort of dark knight, with spooky powers. Do you mean like an undead summoner type melee class, as in WoW? I don't think you can get that specific tbh. The closest I think you can get is the Summoner/Cleric (Necromancer) type. Using heavy armor and close combat weapons. Although the class itself might not synergize well with that gear, but idk. Nothing too specific, just daydreaming. I was thinking more like the necromancer/warrior hybrid-class Shadow Knight from EverQuest, but the Death Knight from WoW is pretty similar thematically. Summoner+Cleric (Necro) is by far the class I am most excited about. Then, yeah, Necromancer is what you're looking for. It's just the gear synergy that might mess it up a bit. Shifting you into a more ranged approach. Y'know a plate wearing necromancer sounds kinda cool. I'm excited to see if I can pull it off! If you don't care much for min-maxing as I won't, then you can definitely go plate necro. That's the beauty of the system they're creating. I'll go for ranger/mage with leather gear personally, regardless of the meta. I just want to play my fantasy character. Games are supposed to be fun and I don't find following the meta to be fun at all. Varkun wrote: » I smell a shortage of tanks in this game. That's most likely the case, looking at every other MMO. I'm actually surprised to see as many Tank's in the straw poll as it is. I can assure you, that there will be a meta. The question only is, how broad of the meta will get. Let's say, each class will be viable and can have 3 different types of gear combinations, that would be ultra broad. However, it could also go into the opposite direction and we'll see a meta with only 4 out of the 8 archetypes and even there will be only one or two classes viable, which would be non fun. But at the same time, I don't want to see a repeat of WoW where every class is viable for all content. You loose class identity when everyone can do everything equally well. IMO, balancing should only be dependent on how many players choose to play those classes and archetypes, I.E how fun they are. Not dependant on their DPS output. A mage should be a glass cannon and deal the most DPS. Dealing heavy damage in bursts but weak to damage and easily killed if the party isn't protecting them. A bard shouldn't be top DPS or Healing but still viable due to their buffs. The rogue should be the most viable in PVP. The ranger should have the highest survivability and sustained range damage output even if they can't compete with mages in DPS. Those are my feelings at least. Everyone should have a niche where they shine. I am disgusted by WoW too, but not every class is viable in all content. My class+spec hasn't been viable in PvP (the only content I care about) since BfA launch. Classes will have things they are good and bad at, so that's good. But mage isn't always going to be a glass cannon. For example you can pick mage+tank and have a tanky mage. And I doubt they will make rogue the most PvP viable because classes are being designed with rock, paper, scissors in mind. Meaning if you are a rogue subclass that is highly pvp viable, there will still be some class out there that is a direct counter to you and will always have an advantage. The game won't be balanced around 1v1, but rather group content, as well.
GreatThodric wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » GreatThodric wrote: » U5urPator wrote: » GreatThodric wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » GreatThodric wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » GreatThodric wrote: » hazardnumberseven wrote: » What do you guys think the best representation of a Shadow Knight or Death Knight would be in AoC? A sort of dark knight, with spooky powers. Do you mean like an undead summoner type melee class, as in WoW? I don't think you can get that specific tbh. The closest I think you can get is the Summoner/Cleric (Necromancer) type. Using heavy armor and close combat weapons. Although the class itself might not synergize well with that gear, but idk. Nothing too specific, just daydreaming. I was thinking more like the necromancer/warrior hybrid-class Shadow Knight from EverQuest, but the Death Knight from WoW is pretty similar thematically. Summoner+Cleric (Necro) is by far the class I am most excited about. Then, yeah, Necromancer is what you're looking for. It's just the gear synergy that might mess it up a bit. Shifting you into a more ranged approach. Y'know a plate wearing necromancer sounds kinda cool. I'm excited to see if I can pull it off! If you don't care much for min-maxing as I won't, then you can definitely go plate necro. That's the beauty of the system they're creating. I'll go for ranger/mage with leather gear personally, regardless of the meta. I just want to play my fantasy character. Games are supposed to be fun and I don't find following the meta to be fun at all. Varkun wrote: » I smell a shortage of tanks in this game. That's most likely the case, looking at every other MMO. I'm actually surprised to see as many Tank's in the straw poll as it is. I can assure you, that there will be a meta. The question only is, how broad of the meta will get. Let's say, each class will be viable and can have 3 different types of gear combinations, that would be ultra broad. However, it could also go into the opposite direction and we'll see a meta with only 4 out of the 8 archetypes and even there will be only one or two classes viable, which would be non fun. But at the same time, I don't want to see a repeat of WoW where every class is viable for all content. You loose class identity when everyone can do everything equally well. IMO, balancing should only be dependent on how many players choose to play those classes and archetypes, I.E how fun they are. Not dependant on their DPS output. A mage should be a glass cannon and deal the most DPS. Dealing heavy damage in bursts but weak to damage and easily killed if the party isn't protecting them. A bard shouldn't be top DPS or Healing but still viable due to their buffs. The rogue should be the most viable in PVP. The ranger should have the highest survivability and sustained range damage output even if they can't compete with mages in DPS. Those are my feelings at least. Everyone should have a niche where they shine. I am disgusted by WoW too, but not every class is viable in all content. My class+spec hasn't been viable in PvP (the only content I care about) since BfA launch. Classes will have things they are good and bad at, so that's good. But mage isn't always going to be a glass cannon. For example you can pick mage+tank and have a tanky mage. And I doubt they will make rogue the most PvP viable because classes are being designed with rock, paper, scissors in mind. Meaning if you are a rogue subclass that is highly pvp viable, there will still be some class out there that is a direct counter to you and will always have an advantage. The game won't be balanced around 1v1, but rather group content, as well. You're totally right. All I'm saying is that viability can come in so many different forms. And I'd like it to stay that way. I just don't want the Archmage to be supplanted by the Spellblade because a few numbers were shifted in the Spellblade's favor. If the content requires a melee DPS, the Spellblade should prevail over the Archmage and vice versa.
