Gold Farmers/Botters/Cheaters (Report System)

In AoC will cheaters face partial bans/perma bans? If so will their names will be public? if not, will there be a system in which "scores" a players "reputation " in AoC? - this score scales a players social status in the games community in terms of "reports".

My main concern is when players are reported by other players, its impossible to know if players have been punished for their behavior. Will there be feedback from AoC to the player who reported the other player?

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Wandering Mist

Public Naming and Shaming is generally a bad idea, resulting in witch hunts that are unnecessary. Why do you need to know the names of people who get punished?

Kohl

I'd just make it so profanity adds corruption to players. No banning or muting.
But that's me.

Beekeeper

eXsZhen wrote: »

In AoC will cheaters face partial bans/perma bans? If so will their names will be public? if not, will there be a system in which "scores" a players "reputation " in AoC? - this score scales a players social status in the games community in terms of "reports".

My main concern is when players are reported by other players, its impossible to know if players have been punished for their behavior. Will there be feedback from AoC to the player who reported the other player?

If you report someone, trust that the report goes somewhere and don't concern yourself with hounding other players for perceived wrong-doings. If it's not something that can be resolved via in-game mechanics, you can report it, but beyond that, it's honestly none of your business.

Kohl wrote: »

I'd just make it so profanity adds corruption to players. No banning or muting.
But that's me.

I'm definitely against that but it's a hilarious thought for sure.

eXsZhen

Cheaters must shamed, end of story - or at least for a certain a mount of time...then record clears, because this mechanic is EXTREMELY important in further reducing such behavior. In fact, "public shaming" or i like to call this "reputation score" must be mandatory, players always looking for short cuts/scam/cheat/steal etc in a game. This includes paying other players to play on their accounts. For example, the demand for "leveling services" is so high that "professional power levelers" have been developed. These power levelers are paid to play on players accounts, giving astronomical advantage, such as two power levels farming an account 24/7 for months...For example when a player killing mobs in one area for days on end "without sleep" aka two paid powers leveler from different IP address etc and then another real honest players comes along notices the pattern decides to report that player, they should be notified if this was or wasn't the case and if it was the case, the cheating account name and "reputation score" must be publicly published.

Beekeeper

First of all, if someone breaks TOS, there are obviously punishments attached. But beyond that, if a *PLAYER* gets shamed, that record can never be taken back. It opens the gates for all KINDS of abuse. You can't contain that in a worldwide community. How many hundreds of thousands of strangers do you want to see harass everyone on that list?
"Reputation score" is a nightmarish concept that goes way beyond what a game should ever enforce.

eXsZhen

Beekeeper wrote: »

First of all, if someone breaks TOS, there are obviously punishments attached. But beyond that, if a *PLAYER* gets shamed, that record can never be taken back. It opens the gates for all KINDS of abuse. You can't contain that in a worldwide community. How many hundreds of thousands of strangers do you want to see harass everyone on that list?
"Reputation score" is a nightmarish concept that goes way beyond what a game should ever enforce.

Its not a nightmarish concept when its dealing with a non-cheater. If a cheater wants to cheat, they risk such publicity. Also in this day and age gaming is becoming profitable,therefor cheating increases.

Moseph

Maybe add a way to reduce the duration of the ban or suspension. Like have a pillory in the middle of town that you can put your character in, where every real life hour of being in the pillory reduces the length of your suspension by like a minute.
Also have baskets of rotten tomatoes around that observers can throw at the players.

Even just having baskets of tomatoes sitting around might inspire a La Tomatina type event!

Nexmagus

I had an idea for a novel form of 'punishment' for those the run macros/bots/etc. Any player caught doing that should not be allowed to trade any items they have for days X. X would depend on severity and number of times caught and such

Nagash

I feel sorry for the silver farmers to be honest. they spend days out in the sun only to be outclassed buy the gold farmer. what a hard life :'(

Beekeeper

Then punishment and detection should be handled with more care, not outsourced for the community to take care of. Imagine you stole a car, and the police put letters all around the city to shame you. For the rest of your life, people will harass you over it, not caring that you were already adequately punished, that you were falsely prosecuted, that you were rehabilitated.

Imagine some forum staff misspells the name. "eXsZhen used wallhacks" the post says, except it wasn't you, it was "eYsZhen". Whoops, now it's on you for as long as the internet exists.

eXsZhen

Moseph wrote: »

Maybe add a way to reduce the duration of the ban or suspension. Like have a pillory in the middle of town that you can put your character in, where every real life hour of being in the pillory reduces the length of your suspension by like a minute.
Also have baskets of rotten tomatoes around that observers can throw at the players.

Even just having baskets of tomatoes sitting around might inspire a La Tomatina type event!

Of course, anything to publicly shame the cheaters. Many gamers do cheat.. and its becoming a taboo to claim someone is. Therefore, we MUST place a "reputation score" of some sort, because cheating in general is getting OUT OF CONTROL no matter how "advanced" the anti-hack software is...

Moseph

@Nagash Every time i see your signature it looks like it's rubbing it's belly until i look closer.

Nagash

Moseph wrote: »

@Nagash Every time i see your signature it looks like it's rubbing it's belly until i look closer.

Well the cat is in my ribs ^^

eXsZhen

Beekeeper wrote: »

Then punishment and detection should be handled with more care, not outsourced for the community to take care of. Imagine you stole a car, and the police put letters all around the city to shame you. For the rest of your life, people will harass you over it, not caring that you were already adequately punished, that you were falsely prosecuted, that you were rehabilitated.

Imagine some forum staff misspells the name. "eXsZhen used wallhacks" the post says, except it wasn't you, it was "eYsZhen". Whoops, now it's on you for as long as the internet exists.

Knowing my name will be forever tied down to as a "car thief" will most likely deter me from stealing it in the first place.

Also, since you used a real life example... lets look at drunk drivers and when they are caught. After court if found guilty, the person has DUI on their record for 10 years then its wiped off their record..thus affecting their life... But lets focus on the game and not get distracted/ off topic please...

eXsZhen

Nagash wrote: »

I feel sorry for the silver farmers to be honest. they spend days out in the sun only to be outclassed buy the gold farmer. what a hard life :'(

I talked/interviewed several Gold farmers,power levelers/farmers - mostly from the Philippines, they claimed its a booming industry. Its better pay than a general low end job there. Also majority of these farmers are full time employed through a company or self employed.

I am not making this up, do your own investigations, its all out there.

Nagash

eXsZhen wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

I feel sorry for the silver farmers to be honest. they spend days out in the sun only to be outclassed buy the gold farmer. what a hard life :'(

I talked/interviewed several Gold farmers,power levelers/farmers - mostly from the Philippines, they claimed its a booming industry. Its better pay than a general low end job there. Also majority of these farmers are full time employed through a company or self employed.

I am not making this up, do your own investigations, its all out there.

I was making a joke but I can believe that's its a lucrative business

eXsZhen

Nagash wrote: »

eXsZhen wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

I feel sorry for the silver farmers to be honest. they spend days out in the sun only to be outclassed buy the gold farmer. what a hard life :'(

I talked/interviewed several Gold farmers,power levelers/farmers - mostly from the Philippines, they claimed its a booming industry. Its better pay than a general low end job there. Also majority of these farmers are full time employed through a company or self employed.

I am not making this up, do your own investigations, its all out there.

I was making a joke but I can believe that's its a lucrative business

Majority of the farmers are kids, aging low as 10 year olds to 30's. I have seen companies group photos and work areas, which was roughly 20 fully highly custom pc builds 1,500 usd with 50cent plastic chairs.

If a player highers these farmers, they must be made public if caught. Unless if its LEGAL, then just close this topic...

Songcaller

eXsZhen wrote: »

Majority of the farmers are kids, aging low as 10 year olds to 30's. I have seen companies group photos and work areas, which was roughly 20 fully highly custom pc builds 1,500 usd with 50cent plastic chairs.

If a player highers these farmers, they must be made public if caught. Unless if its LEGAL, then just close this topic...

I do not like the suggestion at all. In OSRS all Venezuelans were hunted down and killed in game across multiple servers because Venezuelans were supplementing their meagre existence with Bots and as Gold Sellers. This public shaming then caused ALL Venezuelans to be targeted irrespective of whether they were botting or Gold Selling, simply playing the game and being Venezuelan got you constantly killed.

Edit: There is a Corruption System in Ashes, but, I still think Public Name and Shames will bring nothing but toxicity.

eXsZhen

Neurath wrote: »

eXsZhen wrote: »

Majority of the farmers are kids, aging low as 10 year olds to 30's. I have seen companies group photos and work areas, which was roughly 20 fully highly custom pc builds 1,500 usd with 50cent plastic chairs.

If a player highers these farmers, they must be made public if caught. Unless if its LEGAL, then just close this topic...

I do not like the suggestion at all. In OSRS all Venezuelans were hunted down and killed in game across multiple servers because Venezuelans were supplementing their meagre existence with Bots and as Gold Sellers. This public shaming then caused ALL Venezuelans to be targeted irrespective of whether they were botting or Gold Selling, simply playing the game and being Venezuelan got you constantly killed.

Edit: There is a Corruption System in Ashes, but, I still think Public Name and Shames will bring nothing but toxicity.

Thank you for pointing this out.. Thats how it should be and the purpose behind the "reputation system" leave the community to decide. Now I will ignore few things you mentioned ........."This public shaming then caused ALL Venezuelans to be targeted irrespective of whether they were botting or Gold Selling, simply playing the game and being Venezuelan got you constantly killed" .....now that is somerhing different I'm talking about. That system is based on the "corruption system" or the "pvp" aspect of the game which this post is NOT about... but I do see your point. You mean the individual will be targeted and attacked in some way shape or form... what's the problem with that? If you cheat and steal you think there shouldn't be any social consequences, only the horrifying "report" button will put them in their place? Give.me.a.break.

I will say this...in real life everyone has a credit score. This score is important for multiple reasons...if you want to buy a house or a car better have a good credit score. If you have bed credit, have no fear it's possible to bring it up... the same goes for "reputation score" If a player wants to be a mayor of the town but is known to be a botter and a cheater, do you think they qualify to lead the town? Do you think that individual will also help other people to be just like him? Is this the type of community you wish to prolong from game to game? The same old "privacy for cheaters" slap on the wrist, are you kidding me? You cheat, you get smacked with what you did, period.

Cold 0ne FTB

Nagash wrote: »

Moseph wrote: »

@Nagash Every time i see your signature it looks like it's rubbing it's belly until i look closer.

Well the cat is in my ribs ^^

That's a cat?! Man, I have been trying to figure that signature out for a while now.

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