Anyone Else Trying To Think Of Ways To Break The Game Already?

Imagine a 40 player raid. Well balanced with tanks/heals/support/and dps. All 40 players are sub class cleric. I haven't had the opportunity to play the game yet but come on! How are we supposed to die in this scenario!? Even small heal additions to a rogues spells would be pretty overpowered I think. I am super curious to see how the balancing goes during alpha one!

Roaming PvP with 10+ Bard/Clerics. Constant AOE heals going off haha. This will be fun : )

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Songcaller

It wouldn't be wise to stack the same classes in group PvP. Hard Counters would have a field day.

ServNiQ

Yes but, that would be assuming that it will be balanced having everyone with sub class cleric... I'm pretty sure there's going to be a lack of dps in that scenario. Sure you might survive longer and it's overall better, but if there's a time based clear where you get rewards the faster you do it, that's going to seriously hurt you.

Shaladoor

I imagine that the amount of heals that can be pumped out via having a secondary archetype of cleric will be limited. I don't see why they would allow something like that to be more powerful than having dedicated healers. There may very well be raid fights where having everyone with a subclass of cleric be beneficial (I'm thinking of widespread and constant aoe damage, where trickle healing could be maximized).

On the other hand, there may be fights where you need to really push your damage in order to meet a hard dps check, otherwise it's a wipe. In that case, passive cleric healing is wasted and extra dps would be the only way to push forward.

Now, if you meant having a 40-man PVP raid with everyone subclass cleric, that's something I'd like to see tested.

But the numbers can always be tuned down, and it doesn't necessarily need to be a healing bonus. For example:

Only certain abilities may provide personal healing, which may have significant cooldowns so you aren't constantly healing yourself.
The healing could be random, or only occur in certain conditions (like when your attacks crit, or only occur when you are critically hit, or only when you fall below a certain %hp threshold).
Healing could proc randomly on party members, making it unpredictable.
Instead of healing, maybe it's a personal bubble that only lasts so long (so you can't top up your health in an extended fight, only prevent small patches of damage).
Maybe instead of healing you, maybe there are chances to remove debuffs instead?

Just trying to throw out ideas. I personally do plan on having a sub class of cleric while leveling up. But I'll probably spend all of my gold trying out all 8 subclasses, just for funsies.

Damokles

We will be able to focus our skill points in a few skills.
Just put them all in 3 buff skills and start spamming them with 8 bards non stop. Every bard has a different augmentation for a diverse range of buffs.
Lets see someone fight us with 15%-30% crit, damage, attackspeed, movementspeed, evasion, healing, damage reduction and range!

guardian_07

In large battles like node sieges you will probably see organized bomb groups.
Example group1: 2 Tanks, 4 AOE dps, 2 Clerics.
Example group2: 2 Tanks, 2 AOE dps, 2 bards to buff group, 2 Clerics.

The purpose of this group setup would be to ball up and create an orb of death. Always sticking together and dropping all of your AOE damage at the same time. Unorganized players would stand no chance due to the insane amount of damage being dropped in the same area at the same time.

Yuyukoyay

What about an entire raid of Tanks with a damage focused Archetype and the minimal amount of healers to keep them up.

MrScrewtape

Like this in WoW?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z84ykkg_sSA

All fire mages and a couple of tanks. Melted raid bosses in seconds.

darthaden

This is where the 2+ years of alpha/beta tests come in. If the cleric subclass healing is found to be op during testing it'll be nerfed long before launch

halbarz

Can't wait to see 40 man cleric group roaming the map xD

winner909098

you could just have a bunch of clerics with the ability to counter death...

nidriks

Funny, but I'm thinking of playing it...

...like every damn second.

Khronus

I like all the ideas haha. @Yuyukoyay That would be insane!

@Neurath Well yeah they would have a field day but coming across a full group of one class for the first time during an alpha test would be crazy enough to force balancing I think. (assuming it is even good in the first place).

@Jakee I planned on some sort of bomb group being a thing in the large battles. I was also thinking about a flank group of cleric/bard/rogue/ranger (rangers in abundance). Rogues only to protect clerics and rangers to melt while focus firing.

PlagueMonk

screwtape wrote: »

Like this in WoW?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z84ykkg_sSA

All fire mages and a couple of tanks. Melted raid bosses in seconds.

Ok, that's just crazy broken. Trivializing content like that makes me lose interest because there is literally no challenge anymore.

Cold 0ne FTB

Yea, we don't know nearly enough to be at this stage.

Beeper

Cold 0ne FTB wrote: »

Yea, we don't know nearly enough to be at this stage.

The winner of the thread, ladies and gentlemen.

Darktide

ALWAYS! I've come up with a number of ideas from both sides of the argument to exploit the corruption system, and look forward to testing the theories.

Andi

imagine the cleric class not adding heals to everyone. summoner/cleric for example will be necromancer, and cleric is said to be "about life and death", which could really mean anything.

just adding a heal to everything would be incredibly boring, doubt they'll handle it this way.

Khronus

@Cold 0ne FTB I mean....that is entirely my point haha.

@Flagg Absolutely. Testing these theories will be fun. We should hook up in Alpha to see if we can break anything in hopes to fix them before launch : ).

@Andi Necromancer should be something along the lines of healing the team while doing damage. Kind of like a shadow priest in wow I would imagine. Don't know where I heard there or even if it is true but it makes sense.

Andi

my god, please no. i plan to play a necro, and the last thing i wanna do as a pet class is heal my fellow players' butts

Drek

To see to break the game i'd start with:

PvP 250 vs 250
All summoners (3 summons each) + 1 combat pet

Turns into 1250 vs 1250 ... and see if that doesn't break the server.

Now breaking the game balance wise is another ball game, 64 classes with each different armor and weapons setup.... a lot of possibilities.

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