My argument against stat dampening in PvP for corrupted players.

Although not always "fair", ganking creates community.

People talk about the bullies who pick on defenseless newbies but, more importantly, they have fond memories of those who came to save them. It takes away from a server to have such heavy-handed punishments for an integral part of the MMO experience.

The solution to ganking in Ashes of Creation shouldn't be "Ganker loses stats progressively the more they kill until they can no longer deal damage.". It diminishes the achievement of killing the corrupted player if he's already severely weakened. What's the fun in 1 shotting someone who's hyped up to be this big scary bandit? Like Illidan himself said the hunter is nothing without the hunt.

The considerable loss of items/crafting materials they already are subject to is punishment enough. It should, and kind of already does, fall into the hands of the victim's friends/guild/bounty hunters/node in which he is a citizen to save him.

I believe they should eschew the system that benefits the single player, and harms PvPers for one that is amicable to both. Which would simply be don't reduce the stats of a corrupted player. That way the the bounty hunter can feel good about saving civilians and the corrupted player doesn't just flee/log off after murdering several low level players, now that there is incentive for them to stay knowing they will have a fair fight against the bounty hunter.

In short, the PvP stat dampening that comes with corruption is too harsh of a punishment. I fear bounty hunter's won't exist if the mechanic remains in game. What are your thoughts?

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Jakeman

nah i think the reduced stats is a good idea. if there was no reduced stats you could just have your guild feed you gear and go on murdering sprees without a care in the world

Adaegus Wintermight

Jakeman wrote: »

if there was no reduced stats you could just have your guild feed you gear and go on murdering sprees without a care in the world

Even with the strongest gear in the game a 40% reduction to stats would totally render a player useless in 1 on 1 PvP. Plus I don't think a guild would be so heinous to gear someone up just to terrorize lowbies and then subsequently lose all the gear they gave them to bounty hunters and said lowbies. I HOPE there's no guilds like that.

GroconAlterf

Nagash

And here we have thread 78 in the corrupted players list.

daveywavey

Adaegus Wintermight wrote: »

In short, the PvP stat dampening that comes with corruption is too harsh of a punishment. I fear bounty hunter's won't exist if the mechanic remains in game. What are your thoughts?

They'll be quite happy with that. The Bounty Hunter system is just another way to reduce your preferred playstyle of griefing other players. They're not going to go back on that now.

perseus01

I hate bullies

Adaegus Wintermight

daveywavey wrote: »

Adaegus Wintermight wrote: »

In short, the PvP stat dampening that comes with corruption is too harsh of a punishment. I fear bounty hunter's won't exist if the mechanic remains in game. What are your thoughts?

The Bounty Hunter system is just another way to reduce your preferred playstyle of griefing other players.

There was a time when that was true, but it isn't any longer. To help you guys understand where I'm coming from I spend a lot of time on Classic WoW, and often times members of my faction will post in city or other public chat channels requesting help from high level players camping low level players.

One of my favorite things to do is get some friends and turn the tide back on the gankers. It's fun and engaging and you start seeing the same people again. It builds community.

My fear is that when I arrive on the scene as a bounty hunter the assailant will have either fled the scene or will put up no challenge. It's no fun to be a bounty hunter if my target can't do any damage to me. Maybe I overestimate how hard the stat dampening will be, but still. I don't want it to be easy.

Caeryl

The stat damp is the system in place to ensure continuous griefing does not necessitate having players on-demand to come to your aid, which is rarely possible. People have lives, they can’t always spare the time to trek across the continent to kill someone who’s been griefing a crafter. There’s also no global chat, so no calling upon random players all over to come in for the assist.

The stat damp ensures that the one being griefed can eventually fight back and win if the two are left to their own devices long enough. It won’t make one red kill debilitating.

Adaegus Wintermight

perseus01 wrote: »

I hate bullies

Exactly. There's no better feeling than finding a bully and giving him a taste of his own medicine! And the fight should be epic right?

Idk about you guys but I'd like to beat a bully on fair terms 1 on 1, unlike the way he was doing other people dirty. It feels good to not need an advantage over someone to beat them. Now that's worth talking about.

Sathrago

The game is designed specifically to deter you from playing corrupted. Thats how the developers feel and a large part of the fans feel. Instead of expanding on corruption we should look for ways to expand open world pvp without falling into the griefing traps that corruption attempts to address.

Adaegus Wintermight

Caeryl wrote: »

The stay damp is the system in place to ensure continuous griefing does not necessitate having players on-demand to come to your aid, which is rarely possible. People have lives, they can’t always spare the time to trek across the continent to kill someone who’s been griefing a crafter. There’s also no global chat, so no calling upon random players all over to come in for the assist.

The stat damp ensures that the one being griefed can eventually fight back and win if the two are left to their own devices long enough. It won’t make one red kill debilitating.

I suppose that's fair. As much as I would like to see a situation like that end with the bounty hunter always beating the ganker and making friends with the victims I suppose it is a bit unrealistic to expect people to be on call 24/7 waiting to save people.

perseus01

I want to be an Oracle and have divine favor. Eventually monarchy rule will cohort the people into civil desolation or isolation and they will make homage to me for their efforts in divine transgression. I will bless thee with Holy Water and give them rite of passage. I will then seek my own divinity and find corruption...somehow. *Shrugs*

Adaegus Wintermight

Sathrago wrote: »

The game is designed specifically to deter you from playing corrupted. Thats how the developers feel and a large part of the fans feel. Instead of expanding on corruption we should look for ways to expand open world pvp without falling into the griefing traps that corruption attempts to address.

This is another thing I feel strongly about. I'm thinking maybe having several "guard outposts" by a node, potentially, and allowing players to freely assist or interrupt in the operations held there, so you can sort of meddle or assist certain factions/cities without needing to resort to all out node sieging.

As it stands I don't think many people will freely flag for PvP, which does upset me. I fear that id players arn't given more options to fight freely more may resort to just ganking.

Khronus

I legit stopped reading after "ganking creates communities".

Adaegus Wintermight

Khronus wrote: »

I legit stopped reading.

Once again I know it's not always fair but you can't deny that it's true. It does! People remember names. A fair number of people who have played Mmo's before have probably heard the name Angwe and have never even played on the same server as him.

And more now than ever, in Ashes of Creation with the bounty hunter system, the next Angwe won't be alone. There will be a force of direct opposition. A reverse Angwe that hunts and camps gankers. The system has the potential to be legendary.

oophus

I support stat-altering based on the average X player ganked.

If a lvl 50 player always gank lvl 50 players, he should not have his stats altered.
If a lvl 50 players ganks 10 lvl 20 players, then his stats would be lowered to a lvl 20 player, so he joins the group he loves to spawn-camp.
If a lvl 50 player ganks 5 level 20 players and 5 level 40 players, he is altered down to a level 30 player
And so on.

With this, players can both achieve legendary status as a PK'er at max level, if he are honorable and sticks to his level, and a lvl 50(20) player will just be laughed at.

perseus01

What if there was a badass angelic-like mob to save you from being corrupted that you could call into combat once a day.

Adaegus Wintermight

oophus wrote: »

I support stat-altering based on the average X player ganked.

If a lvl 50 player always gank lvl 50 players, he should not have his stats altered.
If a lvl 50 players ganks 10 lvl 20 players, then his stats would be lowered to a lvl 20 player, so he joins the group he loves to spawn-camp.
If a lvl 50 player ganks 5 level 20 players and 5 level 40 players, he is altered down to a level 30 player
And so on.

With this, players can both achieve legendary status as a PK'er at max level, if he are honorable and sticks to his level, and a lvl 50(20) player will just be laughed at.

I like that! Those are good ideas. Less drastic punishment if the fight is fair, more drastic pinishment if the fight is unfair.

Adaegus Wintermight

perseus01 wrote: »

What if there was a badass angelic-like mob to save you from being corrupted that you could call into combat once a day.

That's an interesting idea. I think I'd be upset if I rode out to a place to dispense some justice to a crook just to have him pray for a second and be completely absolved of corruption and return to green flag.

Nagash

perseus01 wrote: »

What if there was a badass angelic-like mob to save you from being corrupted that you could call into combat once a day.

because its a punishment not a type of game play so the reverse is also true

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