Healer Targeting System

I am assuming I can click on Party/Raid members and select them for certain heal skills?
Will we be able to also click on the individual who isnt in Party/Raid for the same selection?

I was a healer in another game where we had a Defensive Target as well as an Offensive Target simultaneously.
Will this be a thing in AoC?

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Kearavain

I would assume this system would be in there as it is pretty important for multiple roles in raids - however, personally, I am more worried (with no mods) hover healing will not be implemented. I doubt I will even be able to go back to traditional click and hotkey healing after so many years - but you never know.

Haemosu

Kearavain wrote: »

I would assume this system would be in there as it is pretty important for multiple roles in raids - however, personally, I am more worried (with no mods) hover healing will not be implemented. I doubt I will even be able to go back to traditional click and hotkey healing after so many years - but you never know.

I was thinking more PvP than anything else.
Being able to select someone not in your party helps. One can TAB party members or click on their name in party, but to select someone not in your party a simple clicking of that player should suffice. Is that what you mean by hover healing?

Noaani

Hover healing is when a heal is cast on who ever your curser is on in game.

It is worth noting that many heals (not all) will be targeted via action combat mechanics, not tab target mechanics. This means you may have to physically aim them, rather than selecting a character to target them on.

While I appreciate having offensive and defensive targets, I personally prefer to have target and targets target as my two targets selected. I'm hoping we will have the option of this when the game launches, as I find it far superior.

Vhaeyne

By offensive and defensive target, do you mean "focus target", and "target".
I would hope they have that.
Not sure I have seen "offensive and defensive target"

What game had this?

daveywavey

I liked being able to assign my [F#] keys to my team-mates, so if I wanted to select the third player in the list, I'd hit [F3], etc. I always found that helpful.

Noaani

daveywavey wrote: »

I liked being able to assign my [F#] keys to my team-mates, so if I wanted to select the third player in the list, I'd hit [F3], etc. I always found that helpful.

Indeed, I've yet to play a game where this isn't a thing. I have never played a healer and clicked on a group member to target them.

rikardp98

In most tab targeting games I either use "click on target" or hover over the target I want to heal (in my raid/group frame).

In classic wow their is also a pretty cool macro that allows you to mouse over heal, but also heal targets target if you don't hover over any player. So it's easy to both tank heal and raid heal.

maouw

I find hover healing really useful in League when a fight starts getting too chaotic

daveywavey

When the shit really hits the fan, though, sometimes all you can do is look at your party's health bars, so being able to switch between them quickly with your [F#] keys is really really useful. I used to spam out heals like that in Guild Wars.

Jamation

I've played games with the "hover" heal thing but still preferred the guarantee of being able to target them manually. Not trying to risk losing a party member because someone decided to dash in front of my mouse.

Only time I've really used that hover thing is when there is an AOE and to reduce time the AOE casts where your mouse is instead of you having to click the skill and then click the AOE placement again.

Asgerr

I remember in Tera, which was heavily focused on action combat:
- Some skills had you click on the target to heal
- Others had you click the ability and the you would hover over multiple targets, which highlighted them as locked on and then the spell was cast

Something like that could be useful, specially if the camera turns with the mouse like an fps. Cause then some party members may end up off screen, but still be targetable.

Otherwise yeah tab or F# to select your party members and click on the enemy for the same.

What I don't want is a tab targeting that works on both party members and enemies at the same time. Meaning I press it once it highlights the nearest being, starting from the left, cause if my teammate is the 5th one, he might be dead by the time I tap Tab 5 times. I don't wanna have to select enemies before my team if I have to heal.

rikardp98

daveywavey wrote: »

When the shit really hits the fan, though, sometimes all you can do is look at your party's health bars, so being able to switch between them quickly with your [F#] keys is really really useful. I used to spam out heals like that in Guild Wars.

They mouse over macro I'm talking about uses the health bar. If I have my mouse over a friendly health bar in my UI I will heal that target.

I personally have not used F# keys to target a friendly target in my group but I think that should definitely be an option.

Haemosu

Vhaeyne wrote: »

By offensive and defensive target, do you mean "focus target", and "target".
I would hope they have that.
Not sure I have seen "offensive and defensive target"

What game had this?

It was TSW (The Secret World - Rebooted as Secret World Legends - No PvP in this iteration afaik.)
as a Healer you could have your Target selected in Red (Tab Targeting Style) and your Defensive Target (Tank/DPS or your Favorite PvP Partner) in Green.
Your Target receives any of your Offensive Skill Damage and/or Debuffs and your Defensive Target receives Heals and Buffs.

Noaani wrote: »

Hover healing is when a heal is cast on who ever your curser is on in game.

It is worth noting that many heals (not all) will be targeted via action combat mechanics, not tab target mechanics. This means you may have to physically aim them, rather than selecting a character to target them on.

Hmm. I was aware that TAB wouldnt dictate all skills and was thinking of AoE Heals but i dont think i have ever had to use an Action Heal...

While I appreciate having offensive and defensive targets, I personally prefer to have target and targets target as my two targets selected. I'm hoping we will have the option of this when the game launches, as I find it far superior.

Im hoping we get a wide variety of Options as Healers and Targeting.

CakeBanditJr

I REALLY hope we are allowed mouse over macro healing since we aren't going to have mods! I don't mind AOE healing to an extent but too much of it makes it really boring and makes zero sense to me. I want to use my reaction/aiming skill to either mouse-over or click a health bar rather than spam AOEs. My 2 cents..

Heruwolf

I highly doubt they would let this game go through without raid frames and mouse over healing. That just wouldn't be intelligent in todays gaming community. With no mods, I am somewhat concerned. The macros cannot work like FFXIV's Macros either. As a healer that's trying to keep track of a minimum of 25 people, that just doesn't work. I'm also interested to see how healing a 250 v 250 PVP battle is going to be. Is everyone in the same raid group? Am I going to have 250 health bars on my screen as a healer? Or will I have to have 500 nameplates for allies and enemies? Only time will tell I suppose.

daveywavey

Heruwolf wrote: »

I'm also interested to see how healing a 250 v 250 PVP battle is going to be. Is everyone in the same raid group? Am I going to have 250 health bars on my screen as a healer? Or will I have to have 500 nameplates for allies and enemies? Only time will tell I suppose.

I believe the default party size is 8, and it goes up to 40 for a Raid. I don't think we'll have the 250 health bars issue.

Kearavain

Noaani wrote: »

It is worth noting that many heals (not all) will be targeted via action combat mechanics, not tab target mechanics. This means you may have to physically aim them, rather than selecting a character to target them on.

That is a very good point. I played a MMO about superheroes a while back that had that action style - I enjoyed it but struggled with single target fidelity. Without mods this will need to be the most robust system ever if they want people to take raids seriously, I sure hope they can deliver.

Haemosu

Kearavain wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

It is worth noting that many heals (not all) will be targeted via action combat mechanics, not tab target mechanics. This means you may have to physically aim them, rather than selecting a character to target them on.

That is a very good point. I played a MMO about superheroes a while back that had that action style - I enjoyed it but struggled with single target fidelity. Without mods this will need to be the most robust system ever if they want people to take raids seriously, I sure hope they can deliver.

What game was it?
I dont remember ever having to heal action style in any game I played sounds like a headache with LoS.
It limits your view to a flatter plane.
I guess i could get used to it.

Kearavain

Noaani wrote: »

What game was it?

I am almost positive it was DC Universe Online. It didn't really take off and my guild at the time blew through the end game content, still I remember enjoying healing and the "shield/energy" support class they created.

Oh yes, LoS was a HUGE issue and they applied it to raids/dungeons. It was crazy literally running around when the crap hit the fan trying to find the vital people.

Noaani

Heruwolf wrote: »

I'm also interested to see how healing a 250 v 250 PVP battle is going to be. Is everyone in the same raid group? Am I going to have 250 health bars on my screen as a healer? Or will I have to have 500 nameplates for allies and enemies? Only time will tell I suppose.

My hope (as in, I have no reason to assume this) is that some heals, both single target and AoE, only work on players in your own group of 8, other heals work on any player in your raid, and still others work on anyone not directly hostile to you.

What this will do is force some order to all raid situations, rather than allowing for a disorganized free for all to reign.

It also makes PvE raiding more interesting, which is a nice bonus.

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