After the launch what do you think is most important for new players to get engaged in the game.

Regardless of what happens after the launch, new players have to be introduced to the game, in your opinion what ways do you think would be most beneficial?

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VmanGman

Make it so that the end game is achievable. I am worried that with their system of expanding the game by increasing levels and power, they will make the game less and less appealing for newer players.

This endless power and level increase is why a game like WoW had to do a huge leveling revamp in Shadowlands. I really hope that Intrepid is aware of this issue that will certainly come with time and that they plan their post launch progression well and for the long term.

Kionashi

The best way to give a good impression to new players will be having bustling cities filled with life in the divine gates,.The divines gates is the entrance of new people to the world of Verra, it should be filled with people offering help to new players and guild recruiters looking to fill new players with purpose....

KeeperBrGO

@VmanGman I agree, if the design of the game is good enough and the players can express themselves in the gameplay without Infinyte POWEeeeeeeeR, I don't think it will be a reason to worry. My next concern is the meta by fixed, and the variations not are objectively wrong.

George_Black

Guild academy system:

New player(account) joins guild.
New player reaches milestones.
Guild receives points that can use for cold hard but sweet ingame gold. At final milestone the academy member can either join or leave the guild.

The more support the guild provides (grouping, gear, lessons/guides) the faster the pointa accumulate and the more gold the guild makes from helping new players that have fallen behind since they joined AoC many months after the release.

Many games tried the mentor system, none was meaningful.
Only gold can make ppl want to truly engage.

Has to be for new accounts to avoid cheating. If ppl are willing to make new acvounts to cheat so be it.

Sathrago

Ill take this in another direction. I believe open and direct communication will keep players playing the game, even if it does not come out with all the bells and whistles that have been promised. If they let us know what is going on behind design and release choices we can understand them and not feel like its a personal slight against us when tavern ERP is not supported yet.

VmanGman

George Black wrote: »

Guild academy system:

New player(account) joins guild.
New player reaches milestones.
Guild receives points that can use for cold hard but sweet ingame gold. At final milestone the academy member can either join or leave the guild.

The more support the guild provides (grouping, gear, lessons/guides) the faster the pointa accumulate and the more gold the guild makes from helping new players that have fallen behind since they joined AoC many months after the release.

Many games tried the mentor system, none was meaningful.
Only gold can make ppl want to truly engage.

Has to be for new accounts to avoid cheating. If ppl are willing to make new acvounts to cheat so be it.

@George Black Yea that system doesn't sound like RMT/p2w at all. Pay $15 for a new account and get free gold. Let the developers do the developing please.

Voidwalkers

That the servers don't crash frequently or have unacceptably long queues rendering the game unplayable.

Given the attention Ashes has drawn so far, add in some marketing before launch, and you'll likely end up with a horde of new & old mmo players wanting to try Ashes.

KeeperBrGO

@George Black Maybe you are used to these models, but the examples on the market are clearly not beneficial, the bigger the game the bigger the incentive for the parallel market.

George_Black

VmanGman wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

Guild academy system:

New player(account) joins guild.
New player reaches milestones.
Guild receives points that can use for cold hard but sweet ingame gold. At final milestone the academy member can either join or leave the guild.

The more support the guild provides (grouping, gear, lessons/guides) the faster the pointa accumulate and the more gold the guild makes from helping new players that have fallen behind since they joined AoC many months after the release.

Many games tried the mentor system, none was meaningful.
Only gold can make ppl want to truly engage.

Has to be for new accounts to avoid cheating. If ppl are willing to make new acvounts to cheat so be it.

@George Black Yea that system doesn't sound like RMT/p2w at all. Pay $15 for a new account and get free gold. Let the developers do the developing please.

Mind your tone son. Who said that by paying $15 you automatically get enough in game gold to buy, let's say, a great item?

Do you understand what the word MILESTONES (plural) means?
In your suspicious and ill disposed mind you quickly jumped to the conclusion that a massive amount of gold would be available within a 5 min account sign up.
Take your time and think about what people write about, before you jump in and start typing.

VmanGman

George Black wrote: »

VmanGman wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

Guild academy system:

New player(account) joins guild.
New player reaches milestones.
Guild receives points that can use for cold hard but sweet ingame gold. At final milestone the academy member can either join or leave the guild.

The more support the guild provides (grouping, gear, lessons/guides) the faster the pointa accumulate and the more gold the guild makes from helping new players that have fallen behind since they joined AoC many months after the release.

Many games tried the mentor system, none was meaningful.
Only gold can make ppl want to truly engage.

Has to be for new accounts to avoid cheating. If ppl are willing to make new acvounts to cheat so be it.

@George Black Yea that system doesn't sound like RMT/p2w at all. Pay $15 for a new account and get free gold. Let the developers do the developing please.

Mind your tone son. Who said that by paying $15 you automatically get enough in game gold to buy, let's say, a great item?

Do you understand what the word MILESTONES (plural) means?
In your suspicious and ill disposed mind you quickly jumped to the conclusion that a massive amount of gold would be available within a 5 min account sign up.
Take your time and think about what people write about, before you jump in and start typing.

I never said that a massive amount of gold would be available in 5 minutes. I said that for $15 you can get gold which is the definition of RMT.

Stop getting offended when your ideas are shutdown because they’re flawed, son.

KeeperBrGO

@George Black
LOL calm is just a forum for a little game that hasn't been released yet

the discussion is about getting players engaged with the game, it doesn’t necessarily mean playing the game, and milestones does it artificially but reduces the impact of decisions.

WhitneyHagasMatsumoto

I don't think the idea of an academy system is bad in itself, but if the rewards are given to the guilds, I think there will be a competition for newcomers.

It's like a college club desperately trying to recruit new students in order to get a grant from the school.

When I landed on Verra as a new player, it would be undesirable for me to receive a large number of guild solicitations.😅

ashleyyn

George Black wrote: »

Guild academy system:

New player(account) joins guild.
New player reaches milestones.
Guild receives points that can use for cold hard but sweet ingame gold. At final milestone the academy member can either join or leave the guild.

The more support the guild provides (grouping, gear, lessons/guides) the faster the pointa accumulate and the more gold the guild makes from helping new players that have fallen behind since they joined AoC many months after the release.

Many games tried the mentor system, none was meaningful.
Only gold can make ppl want to truly engage.

Has to be for new accounts to avoid cheating. If ppl are willing to make new acvounts to cheat so be it.

The balance of the game comes from the balance of the game system, rather than gaining balance through rewards so that new players can join in. Is your idea too simple? Some invisible threats will bring disaster because of your ideas

Merek

VmanGman wrote: »

Make it so that the end game is achievable. I am worried that with their system of expanding the game by increasing levels and power, they will make the game less and less appealing for newer players.

This endless power and level increase is why a game like WoW had to do a huge leveling revamp in Shadowlands. I really hope that Intrepid is aware of this issue that will certainly come with time and that they plan their post launch progression well and for the long term.

Yes and no. I've played far too many MMO's where everything is achievable on a casual level. What's the point of playing this MMO if they turn it into another "easy access", everyone wins without actually putting in effort MMO? Like the other daily spamming, log-in once per day for your epic reward shit shows? There's a sweet spot between being easy to access and not being some spoon feeding garbage. This is a glaring issue with their idea for the combat system too, it rewards character investment, not player skill. I don't need to play well if I'm sitting at level cap and have a OHK nuke combo on my numpad. Hopefully Intrepid get it right, or it'll be another MMO sitting at the bottom of the abyss 1 year post launch.

Tacualeon

Ways to make friends through activities. Group activities and easy ways to socialize.

VmanGman

Merek wrote: »

VmanGman wrote: »

Make it so that the end game is achievable. I am worried that with their system of expanding the game by increasing levels and power, they will make the game less and less appealing for newer players.

This endless power and level increase is why a game like WoW had to do a huge leveling revamp in Shadowlands. I really hope that Intrepid is aware of this issue that will certainly come with time and that they plan their post launch progression well and for the long term.

Yes and no. I've played far too many MMO's where everything is achievable on a casual level. What's the point of playing this MMO if they turn it into another "easy access", everyone wins without actually putting in effort MMO? Like the other daily spamming, log-in once per day for your epic reward shit shows? There's a sweet spot between being easy to access and not being some spoon feeding garbage. This is a glaring issue with their idea for the combat system too, it rewards character investment, not player skill. I don't need to play well if I'm sitting at level cap and have a OHK nuke combo on my numpad. Hopefully Intrepid get it right, or it'll be another MMO sitting at the bottom of the abyss 1 year post launch.

I never said that everything should be easy or achievable on a casual level. That would go directly against Intrepid’s design goal for AoC.

KeeperBrGO

Tacualeon wrote: »

Ways to make friends through activities. Group activities and easy ways to socialize.

@Tacualeon
I totally agree, experiences like that captivate attention very fast

WhitneyHagasMatsumoto

Very romantic and embarrassing but ......😅

"Thanks for the help!"
"Don't worry about it, have a great adventure!"

I think these exchanges alone are enough to support a newcomer.

KeeperBrGO

WhitneyHagasMatsumoto wrote: »

Very romantic and embarrassing but ......😅

"Thanks for the help!"
"Don't worry about it, have a great adventure!"

I think these exchanges alone are enough to support a newcomer.

I totally agree, hope there is no need for artificial interactions like some MMOs

Vhaeyne

Videos of people getting rekt in open world PvP.

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