Pay-wall on the CC in advance

So Intrepid is considering releasing the character creator in advance only for people that pre-order the game... This gives a couple of hours headstart for people not having to worry about creating their characters at launch. I have a pre-order pack, this doesn't affect me, still I think this is messed up. Big step in the wrong direction. What happened to the "We don't need your money" ?

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Songcaller

What would be the point in releasing it to people who haven't backed? Those people will take up virtual memory space but haven't paid for any virtual space. Those people might end up not buying in at all and no playing. Why risk the service for those who have yet to pay?

Edit: Next it will be 'Why do people who have paid get to reserve their character names and not everyone else'.

Atama

Intrepid never said they wouldn't sell perks to people. They've always done that since the Kickstarter. They said they won't sell you anything that will give you a mechanical advantage in the game.

There was no "we need your money" pledge, I don't know what you are smoking, injecting, or imbibing but Intrepid has been trying to get people's money from the start. They're a business, that's their reason for existing. Did you think this was a philanthropic endeavor?

Giving someone the ability to create a character ahead of time is not P2W. That's garbage. That's not quite as stupid as the suggestions that letting someone buy an outfit is P2W (and yes, we had someone very fervently making that argument) but it's not much better. How many weeks are you planning to spend doing character creation? Whatever "advantage" this would give is negligible.

unknownsystemerror

They don't need your money. Plans for who has access to the character creator have not been finalized. The character creator template may end up being a locally saved file that you can upload once your account is active. There is no box cost for Ashes, and as they approach launch, there very well may be options to have to have the current game version downloaded and ready to go for launch. Headstart is a different issue. As is name reservation. If headstart runs into issues, there will be day before and day one patches anyways to the main client as needed. The idea with all this testing is to minimize that impact, unlike most mmos who do not do as much.

bigepeen

Source?

I thought there is no pre-order because there is no box cost, it's a subscription game.

Jamation

bigepeen wrote: »

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I thought there is no pre-order because there is no box cost, it's a subscription game.

I think they just meant one of the pre-purchase options that is available on the store currently

Atama

bigepeen wrote: »

Source?

I thought there is no pre-order because there is no box cost, it's a subscription game.

I assume the OP meant pre-ordering a pack, not the game itself. And technically you are pre-ordering the game; you need a subscription to play, and the packs include game subscription time, so in a sense I suppose it's not inaccurate to say that you are pre-ordering the game itself.

maouw

I understood it as:
purchase game before you can create a character

The other option is to store the character creator data on client's local files and then import them serverside during actual character creation - then anyone can create a character, but only subscribers can actually play.

This doesn't use any server resources, but the downside is that it could (?) put more pressure on the servers during launch since everyone will be bombarding the server with premade character datasets.
Whereas a pre-launch character creator that sets up a character on the server before launch avoids this - but then you won't want non-subscribers to create characters on the server rent free.

bigepeen

Jamation wrote: »

bigepeen wrote: »

Source?

I thought there is no pre-order because there is no box cost, it's a subscription game.

I think they just meant one of the pre-purchase options that is available on the store currently

Atama wrote: »

bigepeen wrote: »

Source?

I thought there is no pre-order because there is no box cost, it's a subscription game.

I assume the OP meant pre-ordering a pack, not the game itself. And technically you are pre-ordering the game; you need a subscription to play, and the packs include game subscription time, so in a sense I suppose it's not inaccurate to say that you are pre-ordering the game itself.

Got it, thanks. So it has been confirmed that the character creator will only be available prior to release for those who bought one of the packs?

Warth

bigepeen wrote: »

Jamation wrote: »

bigepeen wrote: »

Source?

I thought there is no pre-order because there is no box cost, it's a subscription game.

I think they just meant one of the pre-purchase options that is available on the store currently

Atama wrote: »

bigepeen wrote: »

Source?

I thought there is no pre-order because there is no box cost, it's a subscription game.

I assume the OP meant pre-ordering a pack, not the game itself. And technically you are pre-ordering the game; you need a subscription to play, and the packs include game subscription time, so in a sense I suppose it's not inaccurate to say that you are pre-ordering the game itself.

Got it, thanks. So it has been confirmed that the character creator will only be available prior to release for those who bought one of the packs?

bigepeen

Warth wrote: »

bigepeen wrote: »

Jamation wrote: »

bigepeen wrote: »

Source?

I thought there is no pre-order because there is no box cost, it's a subscription game.

I think they just meant one of the pre-purchase options that is available on the store currently

Atama wrote: »

bigepeen wrote: »

Source?

I thought there is no pre-order because there is no box cost, it's a subscription game.

I assume the OP meant pre-ordering a pack, not the game itself. And technically you are pre-ordering the game; you need a subscription to play, and the packs include game subscription time, so in a sense I suppose it's not inaccurate to say that you are pre-ordering the game itself.

Got it, thanks. So it has been confirmed that the character creator will only be available prior to release for those who bought one of the packs?

no

Thanks.

/thread please

Talents

They'll probably just end up doing it so anyone who has a subscription before launch can create a character.

Liniker

I meant to say the pre-order pack, just wanted to leave my feedback on this matter. If they only give access to the character creator to people with pre-order packs.... that's bad. that's not a peark, that's giving advantage to people with pre-order packs that will be able to start earlier not having to worry about creating their characters. It doesn't matter that it's 1 hour advantage, or 2 hours, or 2 weeks, an advantage is an advantage.

Liniker

Atama wrote: »

There was no "we need your money" pledge, I don't know what you are smoking, injecting, or imbibing but Intrepid has been trying to get people's money from the start. They're a business, that's their reason for existing. Did you think this was a philanthropic endeavor? .

@Atama What a stupid argument. Steven said multiple times that it's not about the money, don't buy if your not 100% sold, the game is fully funded and so on..... even tho they keep pushing monthly cosmetics (that aren't even modeled and without a proper description of the individual cosmetic pieces) of an unfinished and delayed game and Now they say that they are considering limiting the character creator for pre-pack holder's only...... and That, sounds contradicting to me, and sends a negative image.

If you think that's all ok and I'm on drugs, fine, keep insulting people and being a 12yo fanboy. who cares, I'll keep giving my feedback since I want this game to succeed

Liniker

Neurath wrote: »

What would be the point in releasing it to people who haven't backed? Those people will take up virtual memory space but haven't paid for any virtual space. Those people might end up not buying in at all and no playing. Why risk the service for those who have yet to pay?

Edit: Next it will be 'Why do people who have paid get to reserve their character names and not everyone else'.

.... maybe make people need to buy a subscription before they get access? why do we need to pay for an expensive pre-order pack? duh

PS: I own an expensive pack already, and multiple skins. I'ts not like I'm worried about my pocket, I just think IF they make it for backers only, that's bad.

WhitneyHagasMatsumoto

I'm still trying to grasp the point of this discussion ......🤔

I think a simple way to understand the OP's argument is that he is saying "early access to games is a huge benefit".
Of course, that claim is not completely wrong.
But I just don't see the benefit in it that needs to be discussed.

In the extreme case, if playing early is the best way to enjoy the game, then all new players after release are losers.

In that sense, I don't think the problem is the structure of the game, only the complaints about the early play system.👀

Katak

I imagine that the most time that even the most dedicated perfectionist would spend in a character creator is less than a few hours. How is this much of an advantage at all? There will likely be login server issues and such that extend longer than that.

The base game is fully funded, but this additional income from cosmetic packs is supporting the rapid expansion of what will surely be a groundbreaking game, as well as helping us to get additional content faster.

Hellfar

I don't see anything pay 2 win about this topic. You guys complaining about a 1 hour "head start" can be compared to some guy waiting in line at Gamestop to pick up his MMO copy on launch night knowing he still has a 30 minute commute home, then needs to install the game prior to logging on, even though the servers are already live. It's really not that big of a deal.

bloodprophet

It was a non answer. I don't think they will as they had already mentioned character creator contests.

Merek

How does creating my character before someone else give me any benefits? I'd probably spend a few hours creating a character anyway. And, there are those people that will literally select their name, click a default face they like and finalize their character. I'm just wondering if the character creation will be anywhere near as good as BDO's or AA's.

Liniker

Again, I never said it is Pay to Win. There's no argument being made about it being pay to win.

I think you guys are missing the point of this thread.
I only said it gives an Advantage to pack holders, and that is a fact.

My point is, this is a STEP in the wrong direction for Intrepid, I do not think it's good for intrepid, a company that claims they will make things different, yet they are behind schedule, still didn't delivered us Alpha 1, to keep pushing cosmetics, pre-order packs in their website front page, and now starting to walk the line of monetizing convenience... having early access to character creation will save people's time, that sounds a bit more than a perk to me...

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