Instead of family summon, do this

Family summon brings 10000 problems. Instead, why not have a summoning stone in towns you can build with other players. This way you work towards an epic goal, and it is more immersive to summon your friends. The game will be massive, and the scale is epic. Dont ruin it with meaningless loading screens and teleports everywhere. Make summoning unique.

Also, this system cant be exploited as easily as family summon.

What do you think, should a village lvl 3 node have the option to build a summoning stone

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Khronus

I don't like this idea to be completely honest. It takes away from some of the perks a scientific node would have.

I would like to see a hearthstone on a long cooldown. We won't have flying mounts, we won't have summons, we won't have quick travel....so after a long journey of roaming or raiding, I REALLY do not want to have to run back 20-30 minutes to get home.

Dreoh

Marzzo wrote: »

Family summon brings 10000 problems. Instead, why not have a summoning stone in towns you can build with other players. This way you work towards an epic goal, and it is more immersive to summon your friends. The game will be massive, and the scale is epic. Dont ruin it with meaningless loading screens and teleports everywhere. Make summoning unique.

Also, this system cant be exploited as easily as family summon.

What do you think, should a village lvl 3 node have the option to build a summoning stone

It could actually be exploited far WORSE than the family summon.

Once every node has a summoning stone, you've essentially just unlocked fast-travel to anywhere.

Bricktop

Just take it out of the game, we don't need summons.

Noaani

Bricktop wrote: »

Just take it out of the game, we don't need summons.

This gets my vote.

Archeon

Marzzo wrote: »

Family summon brings 10000 problems. Instead, why not have a summoning stone in towns you can build with other players. This way you work towards an epic goal, and it is more immersive to summon your friends. The game will be massive, and the scale is epic. Dont ruin it with meaningless loading screens and teleports everywhere. Make summoning unique.

Also, this system cant be exploited as easily as family summon.

What do you think, should a village lvl 3 node have the option to build a summoning stone

Actually really like this idea, and it feels way more immersive and realistic then; "my alt is my wife so i can teleport across the world for free..."

This will actually foster community, promote the node develop system and integrally tie into the overarching mechanics of the game. It is something players will instinctively and immediately want to work towards...

This being said I would say that the construction of these stones should be veeeerry expensive and not be buildable in every city only few and far between

Either that, or as other users have suggested, take all forms of summoning and teleportation completely out of the game (other then that achieved via the scientific nodes) this in all honesty would be my preferred option, I really dont like the family summoning system.

Saedu

I like the convenience of fast travel, but totally understand why it is not good for this game.

I see having a hearthstone being a problem as well as it takes people who are loaded with materials out of the equation of journeying back to town and the risk of getting ganked.

I would like a return home auto-pilot feature though so I can multi task and watch some Netflix while I'm going back to town.

I don't really like the family summon thing and I agree it could be exploited. Also it's not fixing the core issue (a group of people getting together to do content) unless it's the family.

I think the idea of a summoning stone could work if: (1) it's not directly next to a point of interest (a node, dungeon, etc). Make the user travel ~2 mins to get where they need, (2) it has some guards so people don't get ganked on loading screen, and (3) it has a 1-2 hour CD... this is a long enough CD to minimize zerging issues while still helping people group together.

tautau

@Archeon I expect people will marry their alts early on for just that reason. But once people start figuring out the advantages of matrimony (shared housing, storage, freeholds, etc.), I wouldn't be surprised if the wedded alt idea falls out of favor and is replaced with marrying close friends. There is a cooldown on divorce and re-marriage, I will speculate it will be a week or more.

Good ideas in your last paragraph above!

Another reason to not marry your alt would come with the roleplaying, right? There are some things that are more fun to role play with another person than just by yourself. I'm sure there will be some of That roleplaying in apartments and the freehold wheat field.

Gizban

Archeon wrote: »

Marzzo wrote: »

Family summon brings 10000 problems. Instead, why not have a summoning stone in towns you can build with other players. This way you work towards an epic goal, and it is more immersive to summon your friends. The game will be massive, and the scale is epic. Dont ruin it with meaningless loading screens and teleports everywhere. Make summoning unique.

Also, this system cant be exploited as easily as family summon.

What do you think, should a village lvl 3 node have the option to build a summoning stone

Actually really like this idea, and it feels way more immersive and realistic then; "my alt is my wife so i can teleport across the world for free..."

This will actually foster community, promote the node develop system and integrally tie into the overarching mechanics of the game. It is something players will instinctively and immediately want to work towards...

This being said I would say that the construction of these stones should be veeeerry expensive and not be buildable in every city only few and far between

Either that, or as other users have suggested, take all forms of summoning and teleportation completely out of the game (other then that achieved via the scientific nodes) this in all honesty would be my preferred option, I really dont like the family summoning system.

Family summons fosters community more than some anon stone rubbing in the center square.

Family summons allows players TO FORM LONG TERM GROUPS (aka community ties) in order to summon. The nature of this will promote strong camaraderie. A rock you rub on in town doesn't do this.

neuroguy

Bricktop wrote: »

Just take it out of the game, we don't need summons.

I agree but I also think that to promote a social game where new players will want to join their friends who are already playing, they need something (well they don't need it, but I see them caving on it). Especially when you consider that there will be no zone levels and low level players can in principle find things to do in any node/zone. I like the summoning stone with a de-buff that can't be removed preventing further summons for 24h or something. Hell, make it that only family can summon you from the stones.

I think the spirit of the post is to restrict the location to which summons can occur. You don't want people parachuting reinforcement, so spatially restricting where summons can occur is a great idea imo and I think will need to be implemented to some capacity anyways.

Khronus

neuroguy wrote: »

Bricktop wrote: »

Just take it out of the game, we don't need summons.

I agree but I also think that to promote a social game where new players will want to join their friends who are already playing, they need something (well they don't need it, but I see them caving on it). Especially when you consider that there will be no zone levels and low level players can in principle find things to do in any node/zone. I like the summoning stone with a de-buff that can't be removed preventing further summons for 24h or something. Hell, make it that only family can summon you from the stones.

I think the spirit of the post is to restrict the location to which summons can occur. You don't want people parachuting reinforcement, so spatially restricting where summons can occur is a great idea imo and I think will need to be implemented to some capacity anyways.

In this game, we don't need a summon to any location at all. Physically move to get to anywhere we want to go. From there a return home would be nice. To imply that the game would be any less social because of a lack of summoning options is silly. You want to play with your friends? Travel.....ONE time to get to their node.

Archeon

tautau wrote: »

@Archeon I expect people will marry their alts early on for just that reason. But once people start figuring out the advantages of matrimony (shared housing, storage, freeholds, etc.), I wouldn't be surprised if the wedded alt idea falls out of favor and is replaced with marrying close friends. There is a cooldown on divorce and re-marriage, I will speculate it will be a week or more.

Good ideas in your last paragraph above!

Another reason to not marry your alt would come with the roleplaying, right? There are some things that are more fun to role play with another person than just by yourself. I'm sure there will be some of That roleplaying in apartments and the freehold wheat field.

In reality I dont really care about RPing at all; that is not to say I dont deeply care about immersion in the wider universe I just dont find interest in actively RPing my character in RP narratives created by players, also I dont want my teleport to be dependent on another person being online or at the location which I want them to be.

I can guarantee that I for one will 100% exploit the family summon, marry my alts and position them in capital cities to allow for instant summoning across the world, its not speculative or hypothetical, im literally saying if they put that system in going to exploit the hell out of it.

and I guaraaaanteee, that thousands will do the same, in reality the majority of people dont care about rp sadly, and will exploit the family summon in order to fast-travel around the world... just as I will if its in-game.

maouw

I think your suggestion is very similar to what a Scientific node is, but I prefer any form of porting to be more difficult to unlock than a level 3 node, and I like that the ability is limited to scientific nodes to make it more unique.

Vhaeyne

Did not read every post in the thread so this may have been suggested.

The idea of limiting the summon to a location is good, but it could be improved. Maybe if the family summon was only at a "Family Hearth" which would be built in a house in one of the family members homes. As a way of bringing family members back home if they wander too far from home.

I just want this family summon crap to be nerfed into the ground or removed. Any sensible idea that nerfs it has my vote.

Noaani

Vhaeyne wrote: »

Did not read every post in the thread so this may have been suggested.

The idea of limiting the summon to a location is good, but it could be improved. Maybe if the family summon was only at a "Family Hearth" which would be built in a house in one of the family members homes. As a way of bringing family members back home if they wander too far from home.

I just want this family summon crap to be nerfed into the ground or removed. Any sensible idea that nerfs it has my vote.

This is potentially the best idea I have seen that is not massively abusable.

Allow each family to designate a player house as its "home", with some limited functionality akin to a guild hall, and make that the only place a family member can be summoned to.

With this, I would even happily have it so that one player could summon the entire family at once, or select individual members.

There is still limited scope for abuse with this, but it is far, far less than being able to summon a family member to a location out in the world.

Recluse74

Noaani wrote: »

Bricktop wrote: »

Just take it out of the game, we don't need summons.

This gets my vote.

Ditto... Mounts are enough. Id rather see the epicness of the enemy army riding towards me on mounts over the horizon, then just all teleporting in at some glowing object in a random place in the world

Dreoh

Just make it so you get some corruption if you teleport along with not being able to bring materials along

neuroguy

"Khronus wrote: »

In this game, we don't need a summon to any location at all. Physically move to get to anywhere we want to go. From there a return home would be nice. To imply that the game would be any less social because of a lack of summoning options is silly. You want to play with your friends? Travel.....ONE time to get to their node.

It's not one time though, your friend got online 2 hours before you and moved to a different location in the world. You want to play with them, are you going to spend 20 min walking to them? Every day you want to play? Like I said, I'm also a fan of just not having fast travel but I understand the argument for them and I do think they need to be considered. If anything wanting to 'return home' to me is why I wouldn't want any fast travel in the game, that's the stuff that can be more easily abused. Wanting to fast travel to a friend with limited play time is frankly one of the only valid reasons I can think of for having any form of fast travel.

I do love @Vhaeyne 's addition to the idea that you have 1 designated location but I do think that the ability to blueprint plop a freehold anywhere in the world is actually more freedom than having the location in 1 node. So I'd rather have 1 node be designated the 'home node' and you can only summon to that node. Freeholds can be placed close to dungeons for example and would be counter to the spatial restriction.

Edit: by one node I mean the literal city/settlement/metro that is the hub of that node.

Noaani

Dreoh wrote: »

Just make it so you get some corruption if you teleport along with not being able to bring materials along

This would hurt the people that the summons is supposed to help, and not be an issue at all for the people that would abuse it.

Marzzo

Noaani wrote: »

Bricktop wrote: »

Just take it out of the game, we don't need summons.

This gets my vote.

Imaging wanting to play with your friends, but you simply cant, you are too far away from them. Big move

Karthos

I'm going to need to hear these 10,000 problems before I'm able to make an actual decision on whether this is an actual problem or not.

Every single one

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