The Nightmare Bard Meta

As the De-buff bard has been confirmed, do you agree that this specific build will become the indefinite Meta in PVP/PVE upon release?

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Songcaller

Don't know enough about Bard in general to automatically assume the debuffs will be meta. A Bard might be able to buff and debuff at the same time. Depends on augments, personal preference and the Class Design which we won't see until Alpha 2.

Nagash

not sure how anything can be meta when the game is years from release

Yuyukoyay

We still waiting if Bard has even been confirmed as an archetype yet. Still haven't seen their intro video yet. xD

George_Black

What about the buffer bard?

ViBunja

There will be someone with a cleanse option. So it won't be a meta.

Zeshio

If there was a debuff bard, and that could be used as a secondary class option, could open up some cool debuff options for other folks too. I do like the idea of having an archetype focus on a debuff skillset, it sounds like it'd be fun to try out!

Tragnar

It will all depend if debuffs are restrictive only to bard archetypes and the degree of pure bard debuffs vs hybrid bards

also those degrees mean that for regular dungeons you will most likely be fine with hybrids, but for large scale pvp/pve you'd definitely want a pure debuff since the minor benefit over hybrid is multiplied by the amount of players benefiting from it

like we have literally no information on the gameplay identity of the archetypes so this "worry" can be literally applied to any archetype since we don't know if other archetypes won't have their own single powerful debuff as well

insomnia

Yuyukoyay wrote: »

We still waiting if Bard has even been confirmed as an archetype yet. Still haven't seen their intro video yet. xD

Just because they haven't been shown, dosen't mean they aren't confirmed. There is the list of classes. I don't think they would change in. I do recall they have been mentioned in a live stream

Littlekenny21

It's probable in larger groups in PvE.
Nowhere near enough information to guess for PvP.

daveywavey

We all know what the best Bard is:

McMackMuck

Roll a d8 and express an opinion about which Archetype will be OP. We can't predict how the balance will play out yet. Even after release, if one Archetype is OP it will eventually be nerfed. There will probably be balance adjustments on abilities for the entirety of the product life.

I'm speculating that Cleric will be unavoidably useful, even with Bard as off-heal or Summoner having a summon that off-heals.

At the moment it is wait and see.

Tragnar

are archetypes part of the first non nda alpha?

Songcaller

Think a1 has a level limit and archetypes and the rest of the classes are a2.

Nagash

daveywavey wrote: »

We all know what the best Bard is:

especially when he has Thomas the Tank Engine

daveywavey

Nagash wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

We all know what the best Bard is:

especially when he has Thomas the Tank Engine

I hope they get an extra Thomas The Tank Engine for the office so we can keep seeing him on all the livestreams.

Dreoh

Nagash wrote: »

not sure how anything can be meta when the game is years from release

But what about the important theory-crafting tier list!?

Nagash

Dreoh wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

not sure how anything can be meta when the game is years from release

But what about the important theory-crafting tier list!?

Hmmm that is important. Disregard my post then carry on

Yuyukoyay

Dreoh wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

not sure how anything can be meta when the game is years from release

But what about the important theory-crafting tier list!?

So who got a bigger pee pee? A Dwarf Bard or a Elf Fighter?

Dreoh

Yuyukoyay wrote: »

Dreoh wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

not sure how anything can be meta when the game is years from release

But what about the important theory-crafting tier list!?

So who got a bigger pee pee? A Dwarf Bard or a Elf Fighter?

Definitely the horse-based Tulnar

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