Benefits for corrupt players

The current Corruption and Flagging system kills the vibe. Of course, no one wants to be PKed right after leaving a Node, but at the moment, there is literally no reason to PK. There is no Risk vs. Reward, it's just death.

Corrupt players can only remove corruption by dying or by slowly leveling for x amount of time. Plenty of bounty hunters might try to kill you and the consequences for dying are massive. Not only that, but combat becomes more and more difficult the more corrupt you are. Just a 10% decrease in stats would cripple me in PVP, so why would I ever become corrupt?

The only benefit is that non-combat players suffer twice the death penalty as combat players, so if you kill one of these players, you might get slightly more resources. This is not at all worth it. It would be cool if Corrupted players could receive some tangible benefits, rather than just having a ban on PKing in disguise.

My idea is, if the NPC reputation system is expanded to have evil NPCs be more favorable to Corrupted players, they might be able to exchange rare resources and items. The more PKs under your belt, the better the items. If you already have killed five players, let's assume you suffer a 5% decrease in stats and are a very tempting target for bounty hunters. If your goal is to get 10 PKs so you can trade for some really good items or resources, then the risks and benefits would balance each other.

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Asgerr

George_Black

What are you talking about?
How many modern mmos have you seen where you can actually kill another player somewhere else except for an instanced battleground or a tiny pvp designated area?

Isnt it rewarding to finally being able to kill a person that annoys you?

The corruption is PUNISHMENT.

What you describe is rdr2 online, gta 5 online. You dont describe an mmorpg

False Prophet

George Black wrote: »

What are you talking about?

Players fall into 3 categories: non-combatant, combatant and corrupt. You can kill the latter 2 without any problems but if you kill non-combatants(people who don't want to pvp) you become corrupt.

George_Black

Ye dont tell me about. I was playing L2 with the excact same corruption system and open world pvp.

I am telling you the system is a punishment mechanic to protect the other elements of mmorpg besides PvP:
Character progress
Crafting and market
Exploration

False Prophet

George Black wrote: »

What are you talking about?
How many modern mmos have you seen where you can actually kill another player somewhere else except for an instanced battleground or a tiny pvp designated area?

Isnt it rewarding to finally being able to kill a person that annoys you?

The corruption is PUNISHMENT.

What you describe is rdr2 online, gta 5 online. You dont describe an mmorpg

Not exactly, gta5/rdr2 don't punish you for massacring players. The corruption system does so it's not comparable. Also i'd not advocating bullying players who are of a lower level or anything, I just think very few people would choose to risk a lot to gain a lot. It's very appealing to me as it's far more challenging, I don't think the bounty hunter system will be an easy thing to manage.

bloodprophet

You stared off sounding like you were on the right track and understand it all quite well. Then you weaseled off into the weeds.
Corruption IS a punishment. It is not supposed to be rewarded. There will be tons of pvp events. Running around curb stomping noobs should be heavily punished.
Why should you be rewarded for killing other players for the lol's?
The system is setup so you can choose to and some people will regardless of the consequences.
The corruption system is there to slow down the murder box feel.
There should be no upsides to running around and killing people.

Jirue

The entire point of the corruption system is to discourage random killing of people just minding their own business. Giving any kind of rewards makes it have an incentive, the opposite reason the system exists. If you're looking for incentives to kill people, that's what the convoy and guild/node war systems are for.

False Prophet

bloodprophet wrote: »

You stared off sounding like you were on the right track and understand it all quite well. Then you weaseled off into the weeds.
Corruption IS a punishment. It is not supposed to be rewarded. There will be tons of pvp events. Running around curb stomping noobs should be heavily punished.
Why should you be rewarded for killing other players for the lol's?
The system is setup so you can choose to and some people will regardless of the consequences.
The corruption system is there to slow down the murder box feel.
There should be no upsides to running around and killing people.

First of all, killing players who are lower leveled should absolutely be heavily punished. What I am talking about is not about allowing everyone to just go around killing people. As mentioned above, I completely agree with the idea of PVP becomming more difficult and the punishment for dying becoming greater. So I don't think more than 0.1% of players would take this opportunity. The way Steven described the negatives of corruption, I find it almost impossible to kill more than 5 players of the same level without dying.

George_Black

You are not meant to kill 5 non combatants. That is a killing spree

False Prophet

George Black wrote: »

You are not meant to kill 5 non combatants. That is a killing spree

Yes and as punishment you would drop 2 items, lose 2 hours worth of leveling and probably still be corrupt. Very appealing, I can already see the long line of players willing to apply.

Jirue

False Prophet wrote: »

The way Steven described the negatives of corruption, I find it almost impossible to kill more than 5 players of the same level without dying.

You only gain corruption when you kill a player who refuses to fight back, leaving them in a non-combatant state. As soon as they fight back, it's a mutual fight so you don't get corruption. Even if you are marked as corrupted, you only gain more corruption from killing non-combatants. You can kill combatants and other corrupted as much as you want without getting more corruption.

Vhaeyne

False Prophet wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

You are not meant to kill 5 non combatants. That is a killing spree

Yes and as punishment you would drop 2 items, lose 2 hours worth of leveling and probably still be corrupt. Very appealing, I can already see the long line of players willing to apply.

I am that very player.

When I kill you, I will be able to afford the loss of any gear used to do so.

False Prophet

Vhaeyne wrote: »

False Prophet wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

You are not meant to kill 5 non combatants. That is a killing spree

Yes and as punishment you would drop 2 items, lose 2 hours worth of leveling and probably still be corrupt. Very appealing, I can already see the long line of players willing to apply.

I am that very player.

When I kill you, I will be able to afford the loss of any gear used to do so.

I am confused on whether you are implying its worth it or that you are a masochist. I also would do it and probably fail miserably.

George_Black

you are not meant to walk up to 5 people and kill one of them, and them expect his friends to let you walk away seeing you become red. If u are SKILLED ENOUGH to kill them, you must get more corruption as a consequence for your choice to walk up to 5 people and kill one, unprovoked.
I use to have at least 3 PK on me at most. Then I'd run away, burn my corruption and then do a repentance quest to lower my PK back to 0.

That's it. It's a punishment system to protect the game. It should be nothing more nothing less. And it should definitely not be confused for anything lore related. That's where people start to come up with stories and systems.

Vhaeyne

False Prophet wrote: »

I am confused on whether you are implying its worth it or that you are a masochist. I also would do it and probably fail miserably.

If I see a reason to kill someone I make sure that I can afford the "Rewards" of going red, and I do it. It is that simple.

False Prophet

Jirue wrote: »

False Prophet wrote: »

The way Steven described the negatives of corruption, I find it almost impossible to kill more than 5 players of the same level without dying.

You only gain corruption when a player refuses to fight back, leaving them in a non-combatant state. As soon as they fight back, it's a mutual fight so you don't get corruption. Even if you are marked as corrupted, you only gain more corruption from killing non-combatants. So, you shouldn't be getting any weaker if you're fighting people who would fight back. It's only if you keep attacking people who refuse to attack back that you would get too a weakened state.

I was not aware of that. If that's the case then the corruption system in its current form is useless. I don't think many people would just die willingly.

akabear

Happy to be wrong here, but first part of the question/statement was what was there no reason to PK.

Doesn`t a portion of resources drop from a player that dies, which can in some form or another be picked up by the player killer. If that is the case, then quite possibly there may be incentive to pk and take a risk.

ie if player A takes 60min to gather X resource, and player B can pk them to get 50% or 30min worth of resource gathering, it may just end up worth the risk, especially if far from populated areas and/or high value gathered item

False Prophet

akabear wrote: »

Happy to be wrong here, but first part of the question/statement was what was there no reason to PK.

Doesn`t a portion of resources drop from a player that dies, which can in some form or another be picked up by the player killer. If that is the case, then quite possibly there may be incentive to pk and take a risk.

ie if player A takes 60min to gather X resource, and player B can pk them to get 50% or 30min worth of resource gathering, it may just end up worth the risk, especially if far from populated areas and/or high value gathered item

So far from watching the streams and videos, the resources dropped are a small minority and the punishment for the offending party is extremely severe if they fuck up and die.

False Prophet

Vhaeyne wrote: »

False Prophet wrote: »

I am confused on whether you are implying its worth it or that you are a masochist. I also would do it and probably fail miserably.

If I see a reason to kill someone I make sure that I can afford the "Rewards" of going red, and I do it. It is that simple.

Well the idea is that you can never be sure of anything. I don't think its possible to confidently kill players, while suffering a stat penalty and being chased by players who know your location.

George_Black

False Prophet wrote: »

Jirue wrote: »

False Prophet wrote: »

The way Steven described the negatives of corruption, I find it almost impossible to kill more than 5 players of the same level without dying.

You only gain corruption when a player refuses to fight back, leaving them in a non-combatant state. As soon as they fight back, it's a mutual fight so you don't get corruption. Even if you are marked as corrupted, you only gain more corruption from killing non-combatants. So, you shouldn't be getting any weaker if you're fighting people who would fight back. It's only if you keep attacking people who refuse to attack back that you would get too a weakened state.

I was not aware of that. If that's the case then the corruption system in its current form is useless. I don't think many people would just die willingly.

You are wrong. The corruption system in this form has been working perfectly since 2003

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