More Player Races?

Let them finish the 5 races (9 options) they have already before asking for even more effort to be put in. They aren't rushing with classes or races at this point. Only 4 Options were in the recent alpha with only Cleric, Mage and Tank too.

Neurath wrote: »

Let them finish the 5 races (9 options) they have already before asking for even more effort to be put in. They aren't rushing with classes or races at this point. Only 4 Options were in the recent alpha with only Cleric, Mage and Tank too.

Do read the post before you answer.

I did read what you wrote, you haven't even edited the post so my comment still stands.

Schmuky wrote: »

I don't think it should be a priority and I do think that for launch, the 9 are enough. Maybe with expansions and such, adding more races (and the ability to change our race somehow)

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I am talking post-launch, what do players wanna see added, you say "lets focus on alpha".

No mate, my comment stands, "read the post before you answer"

When I have seen all 9 Racial Options, and, whether those racial options are adequate and different with distinction, I will consider whether we need even more races. So far, the races look too similar, too contrary to concept art and not detailed enough.

bashing head against stone wall repeatedly

Hmmm... right... Again, i mean after launch. AFTER. They have said they are looking to implement a system similar to BDO for character creation in A-2 (I think) and most likely the models will look different by launch.

This post is not about the current models in the game. This post is not about the models that might be available at launch. This post is not a demand for the devs in any way shape or form. Currently, this post isn't even for the devs.

This post is for people to say what races they would like to see added at some point in the game. This post is that when the devs decide "right, everything is golden, lets add a race" they can check this post out and see what races are popular.

bloody hell...

I just don't see the potential for a new race. It would be difficult for a new race to make a mark on the nodes. While IS could add new Gateways for the new race, I don't see the Lore Reason. Why hasn't the new race arrived with the rest of the races? Or does the new race live somewhere other than the under realm like the Tulnar? Would the new race be aliens from a far off place? Or perhaps the new race has whole continents and we must invade or support them? It is difficult for me to encompass what additions I would like when I'm not sure what the current options will look like. I really want to see Py-Rai in pixels. I am a huge fan of Elves so if I was pushed to ask for a new race it would be Dark Elves.

Edit: Spelling check.

Lore-wise, new races can come from a lot of different places. It is up to the devs where they take the story, but for example:

There are dragons in the game, so dragonborn could become a race. As time passes , half-breeds can appear, half-elves, tieflings, half-orcs, aasimar and other mixes.

There will be underwater areas, so Tritons and the such can make an appearance.

For the more exotic races (like Leonin, Loxodon, Firbolg, Tabaxi etc) I would expect that an expansion can introduce them, similar to how other MMOs have done it.

High-fantasy has a lot of interesting races, and limiting the game to the 9 we have now kinda misses the point.

Ferni

It could be interesting in future expansions as long as adding this new races match the lore and makes sense.

I like elves a lot and they are already in the game so I don't know what kind of races people would like to be able to play in AoC.

Leonins remind me of Hrothgars from FFXIV or Charrs from Guild Wars 2. Maybe you could make a Tulnar who looks similar to a Leonin if like them?

Dygz

We would need more details on the lore first.
We know that there are other worlds, so... it’s possible new player races could visit Verra sometime after launch, sure.

Vhaeyne

I would prefer we just have a lot of customization within the races we do have.

If I could make an Empyrean look like a Dark Elf for example that would be great.

@Schmuky

This

Neurath wrote: »

Let them finish the 5 races (9 options) they have already before asking for even more effort to be put in. They aren't rushing with classes or races at this point. Only 4 Options were in the recent alpha with only Cleric, Mage and Tank too.

Seems to be basically an agreement with this

Schmuky wrote: »

I don't think it should be a priority and I do think that for launch, the 9 are enough. Maybe with expansions and such, adding more races (and the ability to change our race somehow)

So why the hostility/frustration?

The main difference between the two of you is that you think it is worth discussing before we have seem all options for all races, whereas Neurath thinks it is worth waiting to see the options, and may then be worth discussing.

Vhaeyne wrote: »

I would prefer we just have a lot of customization within the races we do have.

If I could make an Empyrean look like a Dark Elf for example that would be great.

I would personally prefer they add in dark elves eventually - to me, the notion of new races eventually being added is a given.

It seems perfectly reasonable to me that The Ancients - who have the prime motivation of destroying creation - could have seen the portal created by the God of Creation, and decided to trick/manipulate/force some individuals to go through a different portal, leading to a plain of existence of that specific Ancients choosing.

This could even be looked at as similar to some of the vaults in Fallout - where different plains were used to perform experiments on various races - the result of one of these potentially being dark elves.

To me though, this isnt worth thinking about until the game has been out for at least a year - so some time in 2025 or 2026 we could discuss it further.

Vhaeyne

@Noaani

I would welcome the full racial treatment for Dark Elves. I just have a list of worries when it comes to new races.

One worry is adding races later on could lead to people not wanting to restart due to the considerable time investment Ashes will be to level. Not as bad as Lineage 2, but compared to every modern MMO right now, leveling is expected to be an actual grind.

I would hate for the introduction of new races to come with them entertaining the idea of level boosts or race changes. These things would cause me to go from supporting Ashes to denouncing it quickly.

New races could make the balance of racial augments get out of hand. Personally, I like a slightly unbalanced meta, but I could see them leaning into attempting hyper-sterilization and making the game uninteresting. Oddly, I have seen games get worst about this as they add more complexity. Games that were okay with a little unbalance with a handful of races become obsessed with balance as they add more races.

These are all just worries, though. Intrepid has shown no sign that these things will or could happen.

So, I lean more to the direction of having more customization in the base races, but I would welcome proper new races if done responsibly.

Vhaeyne wrote: »

I would hate for the introduction of new races to come with them entertaining the idea of level boosts or race changes. These things would cause me to go from supporting Ashes to denouncing it quickly.

I totally agree with this.

The other thing to keep in mind though, is that all of those other games have equipment locked to the character. So, while leveling up a character may be easier, you can't then just swap your gear from one to another.

I would wager that it wouldn't take much longer in Ashes to make a main replacement than it would in WoW - depending on where your main is, obviously.

Vhaeyne

Noaani wrote: »

Vhaeyne wrote: »

I would hate for the introduction of new races to come with them entertaining the idea of level boosts or race changes. These things would cause me to go from supporting Ashes to denouncing it quickly.

I totally agree with this.

The other thing to keep in mind though, is that all of those other games have equipment locked to the character. So, while leveling up a character may be easier, you can't then just swap your gear from one to another.

I would wager that it wouldn't take much longer in Ashes to make a main replacement than it would in WoW - depending on where your main is, obviously.

Good point. I did have all sorts of goodies waiting for alts in Lineage 2.

I do get the level boost worry, but why is race change a bad thing?

Schmuky wrote: »

I do get the level boost worry, but why is race change a bad thing?

In a game like Ashes, reputation is key.

There are several aspects of your character that absolutely should not be able to be changed - these include name, gender and race. Being able to change these leads to players being able to more easily change their in game identity, wiping any reputation they have built.

Additionally, races in Ashes have bonuses. If there is a means to change races (which would have to be paid), that would be looked at by many as being a means to pay to get better racial abilities - ie, pay-to-win.