Tanking

I love the overall archetype class design that they're going for, and I know they have said that a tank archetype will be able to tank no matter what secondary class he chooses.
But does anyone know if any other classes if they choose a tank secondary will be able to tank?
For example a rogue/tank being able to do a Dodge evasion type build for tanking. Or a summoner focusing on tanky summons?

Or will the tank primary be the only tanking option?

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Songcaller

I don't believe x/tank will be able to tank. Only tank/x will be able to tank.

Nagash

We really don't have much info on subclass other than the makes some changes to the base class, so best to wait and see

bloodprophet

Not enough information on this yet. But there is a lot of speculation about how the augments will work. Tank/tank will be the tankiest tank that ever tanked. But a lot of people think we will see other */tank classes be viable. Though to say at this point till we see the augment system and how far it can be used to"blur" the lines.

Songcaller

IS said all Tank/X can tank and Tank/Tank can also Tank (They never said Tank/Tank was the best tank). This was when the question of whether X/Tank can tank was brought up on a Livestream. However, the game is still Alpha and the concepts can change. There is also a combat update in the works so we will see what changes occur in the long run.

Dygz

bloodprophet wrote: »

Not enough information on this yet. But there is a lot of speculation about how the augments will work. Tank/tank will be the tankiest tank that ever tanked. But a lot of people think we will see other */tank classes be viable. Though to say at this point till we see the augment system and how far it can be used to"blur" the lines.

Uh. No. It's Tank/x that will make viable tanks.
x/Tank probably will not be able to main tank sufficiently because they won't have Tank abilities; only Tank augments.

Khronus

As a main tank and a guild leader....I really hope that I am not the only one who will end up being able to tank. Intrepid has an opportunity to do something unique with their current system. Just like I will be able to "evade" tank as a tank/rogue, I would hope rogue/tank will be able to do the same thing. As a tank/mage, I hope to be able to tank with magic mitigation. It would be cool if mages could do the same as a mage/tank.

I throw the guild leader aspect in because I would LOVE to be able to theory craft with more than just "I TANK, YOU HEAL TANK, YOU PLAY GUITAR, ZUG ZUG". I want to feel rewarded for exploring several options with raid design.

Obviously this is pure speculation but not something outside the realm of possibility. This would be very COOL and would give more purpose to certain classes. I also don't see this as overboard. Tank seems to be shaping up as a very viable pvper in both aoe damage and CC capabilities so why not share the love with tanking. Intrepid...the power....is YOURS. (Captain Planet for those of you young kids who don't care about the Earth haha).

Dygz

A Rogue/Tank will not be able to do the same thing as a Tank/Rogue.
A Tank/Rogue will be using Tank abilities to tank with some Rogue augments to help evade.
A Rogue/Tank will be using Rogue abilities to evade with some Tank augments to help tank.

The Nightshield would be main tank.
The Shadow Guardian would be off-tank.
Spellshield would be main tank.
Spellstone would be off-tank.

It's the Primary Archetype which dictates the combat role; not the Secondary Archetype.

Shoelid

My guess is that only tank/x classis will be able to really tank, and x/tank classes might have some additional threat generation or damage mitigation available through augments. I'd imagine an x/tank class to be similar to Enhancement Shaman in Classic WoW.

Percimes

There's also the "level" of what need to be tanked in the first place. All tank/x will be able to tank raid content, but hopefully x/tank will be able to tank non-raid content, you know, normal group encounters. Nothing official on that as far as I know though.

Jamation

I think once people start testing the classes and we get to see more of how well augments play out, I think there could be the possibility for some weird class interaction. Tank/X will probably have the easiest time tanking, but I think there could be some really interesting builds that will happen by some dedicated players. If anything I'd bet that X/Tank, or even just a skilled player on another class, could tank things that weren't bosses.

Dygz

Percimes wrote: »

There's also the "level" of what need to be tanked in the first place. All tank/x will be able to tank raid content, but hopefully x/tank will be able to tank non-raid content, you know, normal group encounters. Nothing official on that as far as I know though.

It's not just a raid thing.
x\Tank does not have Tank abilities.
It's not necessarily totally impossible but you shouldn't expect an x\Tank to main tank.
You could probably survive some group content without a Tank\x. Especially if you have several x\Tanks in the group.

tautau

It is going to be a fun process discovering it all, except for the part about people whining that one combo or another is overpowered.

Percimes

If the tank subclass doesn't bring any degree of tanking to those who pick it I'm afraid we can simply ignore all the subclasses as they don't change the main one enough to be a significant choice in your character development. Just some extra flavour, subtle seasoning to the main dish. Instead of choosing between fries and onion rings to go with your burger you'll be choosing if you want ketchup or not in it.

Songcaller

Tank subclass is an enigma because there will be 4 augment schools and we know 0 about all 4.

Wandering Mist

In order for a class to be able to tank they need some kind of threat generation in their kit. Without that they physically cannot tank. So in order for X/Tank to be able to tank they need to generate threat.

Of course, even with that there may be content that is designed in such a way that only a primary Tank can deal with it, but we'll have to see what Intrepid come up with.

SirChancelot

Dygz wrote: »

Percimes wrote: »

There's also the "level" of what need to be tanked in the first place. All tank/x will be able to tank raid content, but hopefully x/tank will be able to tank non-raid content, you know, normal group encounters. Nothing official on that as far as I know though.

It's not just a raid thing.
x\Tank does not have Tank abilities.
It's not necessarily totally impossible but you shouldn't expect an x\Tank to main tank.
You could probably survive some group content without a Tank\x. Especially if you have several x\Tanks in the group.

You keep saying they don't have tank abilities but what are you expecting? All the augments need to do is add more threat/hate generation and more survivability (probably in exchange for more some damage)

With those two changes a x/tank could do the same job, just differently.

And as someone else said, if they aren't getting some degree of tank capability, then that will probably always be ignored as a secondary...

Dygz

I wonder what you think Secondary Archetype means other than secondary?
Secondaries cannot fulfill primary roles because the don't have primary abilities - they have primary augments and augments are not as powerful as abilities.

Vhaeyne

Dygz wrote: »

Secondaries cannot fulfill primary roles because the don't have primary abilities.

Not with that attitude...

Dygz

I dunno what you mean by attitude - that is the game design.

Vhaeyne

Dygz wrote: »

I dunno what you mean by attitude - that is the game design.

The defeatist... you can't do it because "Primary roles" attitude. You gave up before you even tried it.
Who knows what crazy ass builds will be possible.

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