Will there be an option to be left handed or right handed?

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I can’t seem to find anything on this or maybe I’m just not looking in the right place. Will there be an option to be left handed or right handed? Anyone know?

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Dreoh

Nothing like that is confirmed so far

If they did implement it I'd imagine it'd just be through mirror-flipping models and rigs

Edit: Check my next comment on why this is not ideal

Zeshio

Let's hope so! I'm hoping it's as easy as allowing sword or shield in either hand. Obviously things like bows and guns would require model flipping like @Dreoh mentioned, but it would be a nice touch.

szelesbt

Would be very nice. Probably not cuz its extra work for basically nothing.

Kalv1441

szelesbt wrote: »

Would be very nice. Probably not cuz its extra work for basically nothing.

I mean yeah, the realist in me is conflicted though. To say that it's extra work would be fair for most other games but for Ashes I'm not so sure. With what they want to deliver, this seems like small potatoes. A small flavor thing that goes with the world they're trying ot create. I mean, they're going to have gambling and taverns and businesses.

Conrad

I hope not. Adding left and right handedness is far too much and it wastes dev time. Insignificant things like that should be left for dead last as a MAYBE afterthought

Dreoh

It could be deceptively complicated to code depending on how they've structured their systems so far.

If they've created a sufficiently flexible infrastructure it wouldn't be too difficult, but if they've hard-tied things to off-model positions like "spawn particles from 3 units to the right, 3 forward, and 6 up to simulate coming out of the right side of the player or similar hard-coded things. Though I doubt that experienced professionals like they have on the team would do any hard-coding

If they've left the systems flexible enough it could be as easy as adding a simple toggle that flips everything along the x-axis
That unfortunately would also mean any visuals with a specific perspective in mind would be ruined, like a shield with a sigil on it would have it's sigil flipped which could look strange

BobzUrUncle

If they have time after launch, they can think about it. Let's let them get the game out so we can play it before adding a lot of work.

Noaani

Dreoh wrote: »

Nothing like that is confirmed so far

If they did implement it I'd imagine it'd just be through mirror-flipping models and rigs

There would be a lot more to it than this.

If this is all they did, it would result in opposing animations looking completely wrong. You would have rangers shooting arrows that appear to come from the bow when held in one hand, but out of thin air when held in the other hand. You would have characters blocking with their shield, but blocking the wrong direction. This would also result in the attacker seeming to attack a player who blocks a non-existent blow from a totally different direction, only to have the attack that player made that was clearly not blocked actually be blocked.

I do like the idea of being able to have a left or right handed character, but I can fully see why Intrepid wouldn't want to go to all the extent of making a good looking combat system only to have it ruined by mismatched animations.

Dygz

Well, we don't even know what the design is for that.
Could be it's in the design already. So, really, we have to ask the devs what the current plan is. AFAIK.

Dreoh

Noaani wrote: »

Dreoh wrote: »

Nothing like that is confirmed so far

If they did implement it I'd imagine it'd just be through mirror-flipping models and rigs

There would be a lot more to it than this.

If this is all they did, it would result in opposing animations looking completely wrong. You would have rangers shooting arrows that appear to come from the bow when held in one hand, but out of thin air when held in the other hand. You would have characters blocking with their shield, but blocking the wrong direction. This would also result in the attacker seeming to attack a player who blocks a non-existent blow from a totally different direction, only to have the attack that player made that was clearly not blocked actually be blocked.

I do like the idea of being able to have a left or right handed character, but I can fully see why Intrepid wouldn't want to go to all the extent of making a good looking combat system only to have it ruined by mismatched animations.

Hence why I further explained in my comment just before yours.

Vhaeyne

Dreoh is right about the mirroring. There are ways to do it, and it should not be the biggest ask in the universe.

I just worry about this. Is it even worth it? It is not that left-handed people only include about 10% of the population if we are being generous. I think it is closer to 9%. To me, that is still a ton of people.

When I ask would it be worth it? What I mean is most games get away with not accounting for this. Most people don't expect their games to take this into account. This seems like a feature that I would consider going far beyond expectations. Something I welcome, but I will also don't expect.

If it is simple and the DEVs see value in it, then I want it. If it is hard, I don't want the DEVs to waste time on it. They could likely score extra points with the player base going above and beyond with other systems that see more use and are easier to implement.

Kalv1441

Vhaeyne wrote: »

If it is simple and the DEVs see value in it, then I want it. If it is hard, I don't want the DEVs to waste time on it. They could likely score extra points with the player base going above and beyond with other systems that see more use and are easier to implement.

Yeah this is pretty much how I feel about it. RH or LH options in games is definitely something that is undervalued in my opinion thigh. I understand for logistical reasons why it’s not coded into games but I can’t help but feel like it is something that would go a long way for immersion in a game right when you start.

Dygz

Part of it is technology and part of it is because right-handed people are unlikely to think about it.
Which is why it's always good to bring it up in the game development you follow so that even if it doesn't make it into the current game, devs will be aware enough to consider it for future games.
Same with gender-neutral, gender-fluid and non-binary characters/pronouns (which I first learned about in 2014 while following EQNext).

Sov54

I don't think it adds anything to the table, in any case, it makes visuals on combat more messy.

Also, I know nothing about how dual wield will work here, but if having a different type of weapon in your main or secondary hand affects your kit or stats, then there is no point obscuring it.

Dygz

Ashes is a roleplaying game.
If the devs can represent left-handed people in their game and want to - that's great.

Tyranthraxus

We have enough of a problem with children of the devil IRL - why represent them in Ashes?

maouw

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

We have enough of a problem with children of the devil IRL - why represent them in Ashes?

It's the parent's fault - they should have been caned.

kevinoozling

This would be great

Hirschegar

Why not.

Anikir

Conrad wrote: »

I hope not. Adding left and right handedness is far too much and it wastes dev time. Insignificant things like that should be left for dead last as a MAYBE afterthought

So we will not need so many skin tones, hair colors or body type (who needs dwarf designs get beefier and wider)...better yet, lets play with mannequins without any type of expression. Who needs immersion.
All the arguments against adding this option include the extra work (waste of time) of the developers ... is it really a waste of time to make someone feel included?

AOC will be a great game! Hope they can bring a lot of stuff to make people happy to explore Verra with their avatars

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