Preventing hostile OOC guild takeover drama

Just watched an old Asmongold Guild video, and in short this happened

The original GM got bored or something, transferred GM status to a low level recent member, that literally took the Guild hostage, and 900 + members. That´s the main issue, all other things are secondary for this question.

Question: In a Guild in AoC, how are the leadership and management system working for permissions and ranks etc?

* Can the leader just issue / transfer ranks as he/she wants on the fly?
* Are there options for a guild to voice their opinions via a Vote system for let´s say promotions etc?
* Can a guild secure the guild´s combined storage of resources and money, so no one person can take it and leave?

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Noaani

I mean, to me, this is a problem that players caused.

Developers shouldnt be trying to develop around all the things players can do that may annoy other players.

bloodprophet

This sounds like a community thing.
Are you concerned that your guild will betray you? Or maybe someone might do bad stuff?

I think they should give basic structure and get out of the way. A guild with 900 people isn't a guild it is a mob or social club at best.

SongRune

While we don't yet have specifics from Intrepid, Steven has made it clear that he understands the importance of guilds, guild leadership, and good guild administration systems. Any reasonable chain of command implementation would, by necessity, ensure that there is a clear line of succession for a guild's top leadership. If a Guild Master went idle for a long period or chose to resign, the highest ranking officer would automatically take over. Whether by direct election, or a consensus of existing officers, changing or bypassing a chain of command of this type wouldn't be something one person could do alone.

That way you can have proper internal guild drama, instead of random annoying stuff.

Vhaeyne

I love to see the stories like the one you described with Asmongold. It is the real emergent story telling that only happens in a world where things are hard to get and people can screw each other over that makes me love these games.

I have been in guilds where things like this have happened. People take some wealth and run. The anger for the offending player is real. Especially when they can't change names or servers. The resulting guild war is always epic.

Grihm

SongRune wrote: »

While we don't yet have specifics from Intrepid, Steven has made it clear that he understands the importance of guilds, guild leadership, and good guild administration systems. Any reasonable chain of command implementation would, by necessity, ensure that there is a clear line of succession for a guild's top leadership. If a Guild Master went idle for a long period or chose to resign, the highest ranking officer would automatically take over. Whether by direct election, or a consensus of existing officers, changing or bypassing a chain of command of this type wouldn't be something one person could do alone.

That way you can have proper internal guild drama, instead of random annoying stuff.

Indeed. The dramas should be kept in game. Also, a lacking in how a guild functions with loopholes should also be addressed before release.

I was in a Guild in Eso, and we just quit due to just no one had the energy to play at that stage. When i returned, i started to do my usual stuff, and added items and mats to the guild bank. Little did i know, the flaw in the system did not allow me to withdraw my own items, but i could bank them. So...that´s one thing that should have been working, but did not really.

Dygz

Well, but, the max membership for a Guild is 300. So...900 is a non-issue.
Nodes already have systems for choosing a leader. Seems like it would not be difficult to include that with Guilds.
Maybe there can be a Guild Type where the leader is chosen by vote.

Taleof2Cities

Grihm wrote: »

I was in a Guild in Eso, and we just quit due to just no one had the energy to play at that stage. When i returned, i started to do my usual stuff, and added items and mats to the guild bank. Little did i know, the flaw in the system did not allow me to withdraw my own items, but i could bank them. So...that´s one thing that should have been working, but did not really.

What you described isn’t a flaw, though, @Grihm.

If you have been given the proper rank within the guild to withdraw from the guild bank, you could certainly do that.

However, you weren’t given that rank … either from the exiting guild leader or the current one.

That’s the guild leadership’s oversight and not ESO’s.

In other words, working as intended.

daveywavey

Grihm wrote: »

Just watched an old Asmongold Guild video, and in short this happened

The original GM got bored or something, transferred GM status to a low level recent member, that literally took the Guild hostage, and 900 + members. That´s the main issue, all other things are secondary for this question.

Preventing this:

1. Don't join a guild where the leader is a dick.
2. Be more discriminating about who you let join, to keep out the dicks.
3. That's pretty much it.
4. Why are you still reading? We're done here....
5. ...... Seriously?
6. *facepalms*

maouw

Grihm wrote: »

Just watched an old Asmongold Guild video, and in short this happened

The original GM got bored or something, transferred GM status to a low level recent member, that literally took the Guild hostage, and 900 + members. That´s the main issue, all other things are secondary for this question.

Question: In a Guild in AoC, how are the leadership and management system working for permissions and ranks etc?

* Can the leader just issue / transfer ranks as he/she wants on the fly?
* Are there options for a guild to voice their opinions via a Vote system for let´s say promotions etc?
* Can a guild secure the guild´s combined storage of resources and money, so no one person can take it and leave?

This is hilarious and absolutely deserved.
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akabear

I would like to see guilds have a KoS list that could be incorporated into the system to deal with wayward players!

Grihm

akabear wrote: »

I would like to see guilds have a KoS list that could be incorporated into the system to deal with wayward players!

What qualifies as one?

Warth

@Grihm
It can be as simple as a small red cross next to the player's name indicating that this person is KoS by the guild.

Grihm

Warth wrote: »

@Grihm
It can be as simple as a small red cross next to the player's name indicating that this person is KoS by the guild.

Oh i meant, what would qualify as to become classed as a wayward player. Not fully onboard as to what that means.

tautau

Every guild will define it differently, from Grand Theft of Guild Resources down to Not Liking Guild Leader's Boyfriend's Jokes.

As for 'marking' the KOS list for guild members, I would submit 'no.' Why? It is up to the guild and its members to have their crap together sufficiently to know who is on that list. If the list isn't communicated to members or is too long a list of names, that is the guild's problem and AoC shouldn't fix it for them.

Grihm

Personally, im looking forward to place the few coins i will have in an investment instead. If anything is over after rent is payed of course ^^

Hirschegar

Just make a voting system when a GM want to transfer his rank to another guild member X commanders must vote yes (assuming the number of commanders are X+2) or like 40 members must vote yes.

It can be controlled easily by a few lines of codes.

akabear

Grihm wrote: »

akabear wrote: »

I would like to see guilds have a KoS list that could be incorporated into the system to deal with wayward players!

What qualifies as one?

Scammers, spies, griefers, caravan fighters, spammers every clan with have different values and tolerance levels.

But wished there was such a think in the past to make management of those wayward players simplified and flaggable.

Wandering Mist

I believe this is a situation that needs to sorted out by the players, not rely on some built-in systems from the devs. A big part of being in a guild is trust. If you don't trust everyone in your guild to not screw you over, you shouldn't be in that guild.

I'm just my opinion though.

Merek

That was purely human error, nothing to be done about it, too bad.

Dygz

You can have all the trust in the world... only takes that one new member to screw things over.
Plus, Ashes will have spies in some guilds.

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