controller input

i feel like with technology today there should be an option to use controllers main reason i dont play games like this is because we cant. this game looks amazing and im sure ill get it eather way but still what would be an easy $500 purchess from me is now only gonna be the little $75 pack simply becase no controller your basically losing money if games like WOW and FFXIV can u can.

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Aerlana

FFXIV and BDO proved controller a way to fit with MMORPG gameplay (keyboard/mouse remains usefull to speak and don't forget that it is a major thing in MMORPG). But WoW ? nope not controller.

BDO is not totally successfull because of the dynamic system with 7 inupt + character direction + camera to use... but they did a good work, and for farming content it is enough even for me who never use controller (i only tried for curiosity)
They also did a good work with all menu, craft and shits, when i do craft on BDO i prefer use controller now

The other, FFXIV had to do it for console (PS3 at first) and they had experience from FFXI (PS2-PS3, Xbox360)
Also, Square Enix get "little more" money,
For AoC, game is priority over controller support (even if i approve it would be a good thing, and i really think the gameplay would fit well.

FFXIV way to do it is not so much work i think, and would be added when time, and ressources are avaible for it i think. The system is really basic. even for UI (shortcut directly in bars)

George_Black

Leave then boy.
I would never again play an mmo that supports controllers.
The hotbar functionality is shit.

clone63

Gimping ability and UI variety because of controllers is the bane of my existence. If interaction suffers as a result of spoon feeding people that can't be bothered to sit at a desk or plop a keyboard on their lap then I probably wont play.

Noaani

So far, the only games with controller support are games that have systems designed for controller play,and even then the controller support isnt great.

This means the game feels like a console game, even if you are playing with a mouse and keyboard.

So basically, good controller support means poor mouse and keyboard support- at least so far.

If Intrepid can find a way to add in good controller support without impacting mouse and keyboard support, then I'm all for it. If not, better to do one well than two poorly.

CROW3

I trust Intrepid’s judgement in this. They aren’t going to compromise their game for a niche UI.

unknownsystemerror

It is coming. Like many other things you will have options.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Template:Controller_support

Dreoh

George Black wrote: »

Leave then boy.
I would never again play an mmo that supports controllers.
The hotbar functionality is shit.

FF14 manages just fine. I've been playing it just the same as I play WoW, even though it supports controllers.

Supporting controllers is literally just adapting controls. I don't know why everyone is so emotional about this lol
Especially since Ashes is doing the "Limited number of active abilities" system that games like Wildstar, ESO and GW2 have. They aren't going to have to program all the button combinations FF14 needs with it's 20+ abilities you need at any time.

CROW3

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

It is coming. Like many other things you will have options.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Template:Controller_support

That’s an optimistic view of ‘we may support controllers closer to launch’ and ‘the AoC mmo is not designed around controller support.’

Ravel

CROW3 wrote: »

I trust Intrepid’s judgement in this. They aren’t going to compromise their game for a niche UI.

Luckily, we don't even have to worry about that. They did not design the game around controller support, as was stated. It would be too late to change that by now.

Dreoh

Actually it would not be too late, I don't know where you got that idea.

I do think that it's weird to think that controller support inherently compromises gameplay, or even that they would implement it poorly. I understand why some would think that as it has happened before, but there is also proof of it being implemented well.

I personally wouldn't play with a controller, but I see no reason to gatekeep controller users because you "assume" adding controller support inherently compromises the rest of the game.

Noaani

Dreoh wrote: »

I understand why some would think that as it has happened before, but there is also proof of it being implemented well.

Not without compromising the game.

I'm not saying it can't be done, just that it hasn't been done.

Games like FFXIV feel like console games because of their inherent controller support, and that makes the game unbearable to play for some (myself included).

Dreoh

Noaani wrote: »

Games like FFXIV feel like console games because of their inherent controller support, and that makes the game unbearable to play for some (myself included).

Can you explain how it feels like a console game?

Because I've played it exactly the same as I play WoW with just as many abilities as any WoW class.

None of the WoW players/streamers who've recently started playing have said anything like that either.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just curious why you say this when I've literally never heard anyone else say anything like this.

Edit: The only possible thing I can think of is you were using the "Legacy Camera" settings which feels strange to people used to normal MMO camera movement.

Ravel

Dreoh wrote: »

Actually it would not be too late, I don't know where you got that idea.

Experience in program development and knowing the cost of taking away functionality that consumers have come to expect. But sure, when you throw enough money at it and you manage to get the community of aoc along with the idea of altering the ui to make the game controller friendly. Sure.

It just does not sound realistic though. Not at this point.

But in theory anything is possible, even introducing console support to a game not designed for it, and with the same quality of game play as the keyboard and mouse interface without hurting the latter.

In practice you need to throw money at it and be willing to take the risk.

You know, maybe they will do that when the game has become too big to fail and they want to bring the game to consoles too.

Dreoh

But you haven't answered how it takes away functionality from non-controller content.

The only way it would take away is if they had to limit the number of abilities you could use, or change how movement worked.
Neither of those is a problem for Ashes because
1. The hotbar has only 10 abilities, and a game that requires you to use at least 20 abilities/items/etc. at any time (that game being FF14) doesn't struggle at all because of it. Or at least Noanni hasn't described how it suffers from it.
2. MMO movement isn't very complicated

Maybe you mean menu navigation, which I will grant you is a little more complicated to program, but it's not the impossible task it's being made out to be here, and this is me speaking as someone who's also done program development.

Ravel

Dreoh wrote: »

But you haven't answered how it takes away functionality from non-controller content.

That is correct, because I admitted that it does not need to be that way in my answer. Not that I am not afraid it might.

JustVine

Having played the alpha on both controller and key board I can say for me, without question AoC feels better to play on controller.

AoC's camera design relative to its inputs is terrible and the controller makes up for that. If they want action combat, they need to improve it dramatically.

The way they handle auto attack is also needlessly stressful on the hands on keyboard relative to a controller. I want to play AoC for more than 2 hrs at a time.

Controller is the way to go currently for playing, keyboard for menus. I don't need out of combat menus controller friendly but the differently abled community might.

They haven't added the second hot bar yet. My one, imo reasonable, request for that design relative to controllers therefore is you let us swap hot bars by pressing some button rather than needing to hold it. That's literally all I ask at the moment. If they follow the model of joy to key's capacity (since they aren't planning on allowing 3rd party) I think the current intended design is fine relative to controller support.

George_Black

The ffxiv combat is slooooooow as.... and there is 0 room to change the routine of the rotations.

Beeing so predicteble the combat posses no problem in arranging controller supported key combos.
There is time to act. "To perform this, hold X while hiting O", or whatever..

Eso has 6 active abilities at any given time. Perfect for controllers. Not so much for mmo gameplay.
It's not the only way it sucks as an mmo. I hear now that people play with npcs rather than each other.
90% single player experience.

Ill never again waste time in an mmo whose first thought is to cash in from all platforms.

Waste of maintenance. Waste of resources.

Dreoh

George Black wrote: »

The ffxiv combat is slooooooow as.... and there is 0 room to change the routine of the rotations.

Beeing so predicteble the combat posses no problem in arranging controller supported key combos.
There is time to act. "To perform this, hold X while hiting O", or whatever..

Eso has 6 active abilities at any given time. Perfect for controllers. Not so much for mmo gameplay.
It's not the only way it sucks as an mmo. I hear now that people play with npcs rather than each other.
90% single player experience.

Ill never again waste time in an mmo whose first thought is to cash in from all platforms.

Waste of maintenance. Waste of resources.

FF14's long global cooldown and combo-string system I'll grant you could have been designed with controllers in mind, that's very true. But it plays very well even so on keyboard/mouse still even if you're coming from any other typical tab-target MMO. I do hate standardized rotations though for sure.

ESO's single-player content has no bearing on this argument. This thread is about controller input, I don't see how any of that is relevant lmao.

6 abilities is nice and comfy for controllers sure, but controllers can utilize way more than a six-ability hotbar.

Aerlana

I was mainly wow player, some long months on Aion (no GCD) when i came on FFXIV, i didnt feel such difference, except "far slower" But "slow" is not specific to console, some console game are fast.

but i think it is a lot personnal feelings.

For AoC, the best thing to do : build the game around keyboard and mouse like they do now. At first we need to have a game, before a game with 23978 way to play it.
Then, if time, try to have a UI for controller. Doing this way, adding controller won't impact keyboard and mouse. and i really think how the game is build, it can fit well a controller support.

George_Black

Eso has 6 active abilities at any given time. Controller designed

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