In-Game gambling

I quite like this part of mmos. This can be a great distraction for crippling addicts such as myself me! .Maybe there could be a possibility that items could be betted on and there could be a gold estimation according to the average auction house price given so you can bet gold against it or bet an item of equal value, Or maybe... even deeds to player freeholds.
Taverns already have parlor games and these can be a nice addition to them.

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Merek

Go corrupted and fight people, you'll be rolling the dice with every encounter.

Khronus

WinnieV12 wrote: »

I quite like this part of mmos. This can be a great distraction for crippling addicts such as myself me! .Maybe there could be a possibility that items could be betted on and there could be a gold estimation according to the average auction house price given so you can bet gold against it or bet an item of equal value, Or maybe... even deeds to player freeholds.
Taverns already have parlor games and these can be a nice addition to them.

Congrats! You reached the first milestone and have recognized your addiction!

I'm not a fan of encouraged gambling in games. I don't see the need to ban gambling but I dislike things that can have a negative impact on real life or potentially influence our young gamers down a path that they need not be traveling. I'd be down for wagering for pvp content though. Throw down some coin and be matched up against another team of players. Winner takes all aside from the house's cut. This would be fun and give a new perspective on arena combat.

KhaosTheEmpty

Khronus wrote: »

WinnieV12 wrote: »

I quite like this part of mmos. This can be a great distraction for crippling addicts such as myself me! .Maybe there could be a possibility that items could be betted on and there could be a gold estimation according to the average auction house price given so you can bet gold against it or bet an item of equal value, Or maybe... even deeds to player freeholds.
Taverns already have parlor games and these can be a nice addition to them.

Congrats! You reached the first milestone and have recognized your addiction!

I'm not a fan of encouraged gambling in games. I don't see the need to ban gambling but I dislike things that can have a negative impact on real life or potentially influence our young gamers down a path that they need not be traveling. I'd be down for wagering for pvp content though. Throw down some coin and be matched up against another team of players. Winner takes all aside from the house's cut. This would be fun and give a new perspective on arena combat.

Yeah but there is a unique thrill you experience by laying all the control in the hand of lady luck and hoping she favors you. Something separate from skill.

Plutar

That something separate is what we call RNG, and when it's Bad, people get mad. Gambling is one of the most deadly addictions, and should not be promoted to a younger audience. Also, this could cause issues with EU countries depending on gambling rules/laws.

McShave

When in doubt, just do death rolls like I've seen people do in WoW. Same gambling fun, just without all that in-game infrastructure.

Noaani

Zythtyz wrote: »

Also, this could cause issues with EU countries depending on gambling rules/laws.

This is the single most important point to bring up.

We could all sit here and argue all day whether it is moral for Intrepid to include gambling in Ashes, but there is no real point if it isn't legal for them to do so.

While games in the past have had some gambling aspects to them, the EU has also been strengthening it's laws in this regard.

This is why many versions of Archeage have a casino on Mirage Island (The Rabbits Foot), but the NA/EU version does not.

JustVine

Noaani wrote: »

Zythtyz wrote: »

Also, this could cause issues with EU countries depending on gambling rules/laws.

This is the single most important point to bring up.

We could all sit here and argue all day whether it is moral for Intrepid to include gambling in Ashes, but there is no real point if it isn't legal for them to do so.

While games in the past have had some gambling aspects to them, the EU has also been strengthening it's laws in this regard.

This is why many versions of Archeage have a casino on Mirage Island (The Rabbits Foot), but the NA/EU version does not.

Yep. Which is why I think table games in taverns work better as an 'arcade' like system where the tavern owner has the option to offer prizes to high scores or whatever, maybe even a leader board, but no system facilitated gambling.

If you wanna make a bet there is nothing stopping the honor system and player trading. Nothing stopping a tavern owner bring an officiant of said bets to give it more weight either. No game systems required.

BaSkA_9x2

I really like how Rust is implementing "gambling", it's quite fun. I also enjoy OSRS's Duel Arena.

It would be cool to have some systems in Ashes for some minor gambling games such as dices to avoid scammers. I hope they consider adding something to Taverns to facilitate players who want to gamble with each other, only using in-game currency such as gold that don't have any official real money value, which won't break some dumb laws.

JustVine

A:"I bet you ten gold I am going to win"
B:"Bring it"
A:"I won pay up"
Player B trades 10 gold

Already exists.

If you want an ante system ask Steven about it for q&a. Normal bets don't need a game system.

Asraiel

there is always the gambling on market prices. once the economy is set up you can gamble like the bankers at wallstreet but with ingame ressources maybe you winn and make a bigger profit maybe you loose and loose a lot

or you can gamble with you buddys or guild mates for ingame stuff over outer game activities. like playing poker and the winner gets the armor piece of the last bossdrop

you just have to find those interested in gambling. if the game itself offers gambling that would be bad, cause that would force people do do something were many peoples suffer from getting addicted to.

ive seen many people doing it in minecraft specialy on citybuild servers useing dragonegg and the ingame money to play with or also useing ingamemoney to do sport bets and the winner wins ingamemoney out of the pot of the bets placed. there is a lot of possebilitys if the players are given the freedom and if they does comit time in preperations.

Chananain

I understand your feelings, bro. I was quite addicted to gambling for 2-3 years but was able to escape this with the help of my family and friends. Yeah, in-game gambling distracts attention and influences my mind for sure, but I learned how to control myself. I think it's all about self-control and you can stand with gambling and not be addicted. For example, I sometimes gamble on Dragon Tiger and have a good win rate. But I play rarely now because I don't wanna get addicted one more time.

maouw

On the otherside of this discussion,

I remember Steven talking about potentially having something like a stock-market to trade on in Economic Nodes - that's not exactly gambling, but it might scratch your itch.

Alternatively, there's most likely going to be duelling tournaments in Military Nodes - and I'd wager (see what I did there?) that that will come with at least a player driven betting scene.

Talents

Doubt we'll get in-game gambling with gold. As others have said EU laws make it hard to add this stuff into gaming nowadays. Pokemon no longer has the game corner in their games anymore because of it.

bigepeen

You can bet regardless, even if it's not implemented in the game. For instance, each person would give the gold equivalent
of whatever they're betting on to a trusted guildmate. Then the winner of the bet receives the gold from this person.

There are tons of MMOs with gacha mechanics and gambling in them. I thought one of the reasons why people were interested in Ashes was to get away from that stuff.

Vaknar

I think as long as there aren't tavern slot machines I'll be happy c:

Noaani

Vaknar wrote: »

I think as long as there aren't tavern slot machines I'll be happy c:

So, you'd be happy with gambling that goes against EU laws, as long as it isn't a tavern slot machine?

Good to know.

Tyranthraxus

Talents wrote: »

Doubt we'll get in-game gambling with gold. As others have said EU laws make it hard to add this stuff into gaming nowadays. Pokemon no longer has the game corner in their games anymore because of it.

You can all please correct me, if this is wrong:

From speaking with the occasional Euro guildies, yours truly has been under the impression that it's the *randomization* of items that causes the complications. Gambling with in-game currency wasn't the problem; It was buying something like a "random-item" pack from a Cash Shop - because without guarantee'ing what a player was buying, the EU had interpreted this as a form of gambling.

Is this right? Or do EU countries literally disallow even in-game gambling with in-game currency? That seems impossible to enforce....

CruelCrusader

just make a mini game like what they have in assassins creed valhalla. if players decide to "gamble" it would be done on their own accord and would be a self enforced code of honor type deal.

the game is said to be designed in a way that your social reputation matters.

but just to add to the idea, make it so you dont just sit at a table and all the pieces are there. make it like pai sho in the last airbender and you need to bring your own assortment of pieces that fit your personal strategy.

would love to see a white lotus type of secret society within ashes of creation game!!!

Atama

maouw wrote: »

I remember Steven talking about potentially having something like a stock-market to trade on in Economic Nodes - that's not exactly gambling, but it might scratch your itch.

I think you remember wrong. This isn’t a “potential thing”, this was a stretch goal unlocked in Kickstarter.

As a reminder, here are the stretch goals:

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RAYZZ

I hope there is in many ways. All this anti-gambling trend reminds me of the dark ages of religion. I guess human demons and flaws dont change in form, only in name.

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