Why is there no Wikipedia page?

Hi Guys,

I was just wondering why nobody has written a Wikipedia page yet on this game so that it can be referenced in other wiki articles, google searches and the like?

I don't know much about Wikipedia rules maybe we're not allowed to write an article this soon about an upcoming game without a release date?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashes_of_Creation

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daveywavey

You can write a wikipedia page about pretty much anything. Try creating one, see how it goes.

Nerror

Good question! It seems almost like an oversight tbh. The community wiki (https://ashesofcreation.wiki/) is really good, so maybe they didn't want to bother with wikipedia. There is a lot more control over the community wiki I would guess, and perhaps that is more important.

Somebodyelse

daveywavey wrote: »

You can write a wikipedia page about pretty much anything. Try creating one, see how it goes.

I really don't know enough about the game to be qualitied to write something about it to the public and I know almost nothing of Wikipedia editing and it's strict writing rules to do anything like this but was wondering if somebody knew if there was a reason for it not existing that's all.

The devs/community leaders of the game might want to get on this if they want to grow visibility of their game or if they don't then they are welcome to ignore it and I wish them good luck on the launch I guess, whenever that may be.

Talents

There's no real point. If people type in "Ashes of Creation Wikipedia" in Google they'll get directed to the community wiki which is 100x better than a Wikipedia page would be.

Tyranthraxus

Talents wrote: »

There's no real point. If people type in "Ashes of Creation Wikipedia" in Google they'll get directed to the community wiki which is 100x better than a Wikipedia page would be.

Aye - this.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/

First result in Google.

Atama

Just FYI, I am an administrator at Wikipedia (same name there as here). You are absolutely allowed to create an article about the game but make sure of a few things…

1) It has to be unbiased. Don’t put your opinion about the game in it, either good or bad. You can mention his people have reviewed it (and cite those reviews) but don’t make it look like an advertisement or a hit piece.

2) Back up your information with reliable sources. Any Wikipedia article is only as good as what can be backed up. Those sources will also make it more difficult to delete or change what you wrote.

3) Most importantly, you have to prove that the game is notable by showing significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. I don’t think that would be hard in this case; most of the major game news sites have talked about the game so it should be trivial. But it’s not enough if the game is notable, you have to show it in the article.

Good luck. I can try to offer advice on how to navigate the bureaucracy there since I’m part of it. But I wouldn’t use my admin powers on an article because I wouldn’t consider myself impartial enough. As a backer I would have a conflict of interest (and I used to be the main COI person on that site once upon a time so I should know).

Here’s a place where you can start if you want some guidance on how to put a video game article together:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Video_games

Vhaeyne

@Atama

Your power level... So strong... I have never felt such... Power.

Nerror

Let's get started on a text.

Ashes of Creation

Ashes of Creation is the next pay to win MMORPG, set to release in 2030 by Intrepid Studios. The game will have forced PvP and no DPS meters, which will likely cause it to fail. Also there is something about nodes. The end.

Atama

I did a little more poking around, and...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ashes_of_Creation

There was an article and it was deleted because they couldn't establish notability. Just as I warned, you need to make sure that you can show significant coverage in reliable sources. Technically the article has been deleted twice; once in 2017 via "speedy deletion" because it was written as an obvious advertisement, and then again in 2020 after a discussion where they determined it was too early for an article on the game due to not enough coverage.

There is also a draft for an article here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ashes_of_Creation

Putting on my Wikipedia Administrator hat, that draft isn't very good at establishing notability. Half of the references are the AoC web site itself, and the best reliable source is a MassivelyOP article that only mentions the game in passing; one 3 sentence paragraph just talking about the Kickstarter. Frankly I would vote to delete that article if it was published.

I'll also warn that I'm a pretty experienced administrator and moderator on Wikipedia, banning people, mediating disputes, helping people with rules and such. But I am lousy at creating articles, that is not a strength of mine.

Talents

Atama wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ashes_of_Creation

Putting on my Wikipedia Administrator hat, that draft isn't very good at establishing notability. Half of the references are the AoC web site itself, and the best reliable source is a MassivelyOP article that only mentions the game in passing; one 3 sentence paragraph just talking about the Kickstarter. Frankly I would vote to delete that article if it was published.

I'll also warn that I'm a pretty experienced administrator and moderator on Wikipedia, banning people, mediating disputes, helping people with rules and such. But I am lousy at creating articles, that is not a strength of mine.

This one's mine that I tried making quickly after I saw this thread. Problem is I can't find any "reputable" sources that talk about Ashes, and if I can find a well-known website, like IGN, their information in places is wrong about the game so I don't want to use it.

This page on Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheon:_Rise_of_the_Fallen, I tried using as a basis, and the large majority of their references are either the Pantheon/company website, or a YouTube video. It has only 2 news article written, one by Vice when the games lead designer died, and one by VG247 when the Kickstarter failed.

maouw

Doing a quick search, it seems there hasn't been much journalism happening for Ashes of Creation.
Here's what I did find:
PC gamer (mixed review of a1) - https://www.pcgamer.com/au/ashes-of-creation-looks-promising-but-the-mmos-vision-is-unclear-in-alpha/
technewstoday (overview of a1) - https://www.technewstoday.com/ashes-of-creation-preview/
ESTNN (design philosophies) - https://estnn.com/five-reasons-why-you-should-be-excited-for-ashes-of-creation/

I think it's because the systems we have in Ashes are really volatile and subject to change (coz it's alpha), and there are no hard numbers to work with. So anyone who wants to write an article about the game can only write about "things that Steven has said" and the basics that we saw in alpha1.

Ashes' node system is really what sets it apart from every other MMO - and in a1 the prototypes we saw are not yet newsworthy, especially with other games hogging the spotlight during a1.

I'd prefer to let the game mature more. When more of the systems come online in a2, and we start to see the emergent gameplay that comes from these systems overlapping, we should have a greater vision of the game and journalists will have more to write about.

Atama

maouw wrote: »

I'd prefer to let the game mature more. When more of the systems come online in a2, and we start to see the emergent gameplay that comes from these systems overlapping, we should have a greater vision of the game and journalists will have more to write about.

That might be the wisest course of action. Closer to release I’m sure there will be a lot more buzz about the game.

I thought there was more out there about the game, but maybe not. I guess I just never actually tried to find and collect those articles.

Eventually there should be enough I’m sure, it might just be too soon yet.

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