Firearm types?

I have seen in promotional clips and stuff characters seemingly using rifles which makes me curious on what types of guns that we may end up seeing as if its just rifles that would still both be fun and more awesome than what any other mmo has done so far with many refusing to add guns purely for the principle of it like eso for example where despite having craftsman skilled enough to work on the fucking damn near magical dwemer machinery and the necessary blackpowder, for some reason they refuse to EVER add guns and same if not worse to a game like bdo where despite LITERALLY HAVING HUNTING RIFLES they refuse to add a gunner class or even begin to think of making rifles for actual combat for some idiotic reason.

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Talents

There won't be any guns in Ashes. You either saw Crossbows or Potion Launchers.

Atama

We aren't sure that potion launchers will even be in Ashes of Creation. They were in the Apocalypse test, but aren't confirmed for the real game.

We do know there will be no "firearms". Multiple developers have stated that, including Steven himself. No black powder weapons, no traditional guns or cannons. There may be magical equivalents (like the potion launchers, maybe others) but not firearms as we have in the real world (modern or historical).

Gizban

Boomsticks.

Marzzo

I am fairly sure, a majority of the community dont want firearms, nor that stupid potion launcher from apocalypse

Tyranthraxus

Marzzo wrote: »

I am fairly sure, a majority of the community dont want firearms, nor that stupid potion launcher from apocalypse

I wouldn't mind large ones with limited roles in sieges, siege defenses and ship-to-ship combat. The more time that goes on, the less-and-less I'd like to see them have any role in PvE - even with big cooldowns.

Rookk

aww man really? i mean i have literally 0 idea why EVERYONE seems to hate the idea of like a bolt action rifle or hell a musket or blunderbuss of flintlock weapons at least in 'fantasy' as literally they would just be another flavor of weapon to use and literally in basically any world it makes less than 0 sense for them not to exist and hell in high fantasy games it actually makes MORE sense actual world and immersion-wise for them to exist as in a world with monsters, bandits, dragons, and rampaging hordes of people that seem damn near unkillable wouldnt you think the more common type people would make guns especially since irl black powder at least has existed since like the 600's and guns came shortly after that so really its not a problem of people figuring out how to make them and nor is it a problem of immersion-wise them making no sense to even be used (just ignore bows are still widely used despite magic existing) with really its just for some reaon people refuse to see that 'guns' doesnt have to mean a fuckin semi automatic glock or fully auto m4 but simplely just flintlocks and hell if crossbows are added than you basically already have the same look and feel as guns but just instead it fires bolts. really i hope the devs decide to actually add guns at some point.

Vhaeyne

Marzzo wrote: »

I am fairly sure, a majority of the community dont want firearms, nor that stupid potion launcher from apocalypse

I am actually on the fence. It can be done well. As much as I would like a low-fantasy, low-tech setting. It always ends up making sense that people would figure out how to use magic to launch projectiles.

As long as the setting is not cavemen. I think it's reasonably expected that people are going to figure out some form of guns. Especially with magic.

Rookk

Vhaeyne wrote: »

Marzzo wrote: »

I am fairly sure, a majority of the community dont want firearms, nor that stupid potion launcher from apocalypse

I am actually on the fence. It can be done well. As much as I would like a low-fantasy, low-tech setting. It always ends up making sense that people would figure out how to use magic to launch projectiles.

As long as the setting is not cavemen. I think it's reasonably expected that people are going to figure out some form of guns. Especially with magic.

IKR!!! like i mostly want guns cause i think even in single shot flintlock styles they could make for fun snipers or insane burst damage and a intresting play style but i also still want them partially cause im a world freak who loves a world that is built in such a way that there arent ever contradictions and that everything has a explaination and reaches a reasonable conclusion based on what has been established and set up and the possibility of guns for example is something that as history has shown is basically a guaranteed arrival no matter what people try so i say put guns in

bloodprophet

Wikipedia says blackpowder first used in 904 for medical purposes. Unless someone has different information.
Verra may not have a chemical compound equivalent capable of making such things. Kind of like Sanctus doesn't have magic.

Rookk

the chinese used it in fireworks

bloodprophet

Yep
My old ass phone won't link properly or I would have linked the page for you.

Vhaeyne

I think any setting that does not have guns exists in a state where people are too advanced to need them(Dune kinda) or not advanced enough to have them yet(lotr/cavemen).

daveywavey

Vvess wrote: »

aww man really? i mean i have literally 0 idea why EVERYONE seems to hate the idea of like a bolt action rifle or hell a musket or blunderbuss of flintlock weapons

Because it's High Fantasy. Think Medieval-style weaponry along with magic. No guns! You want guns, go back to World Of Borecraft!

Enigmatic Sage

They have a trebuchet you can drive and it's just wood beams... lol. Nothing magical about it visually.

Atama

Vvess wrote: »

really i hope the devs decide to actually add guns at some point.

"Again we're trying to bring the magic into combat, so we're trying to stay away from things like, you know, straightforward guns and black powder and explosions." - Jeffrey Bard

"I previously said there was not going to be gunpowder in Ashes. What there will be is something very similar to gunpowder but has a more arcane nature to it. It's not necessarily going to be explainable through the conventional means of chemistry, metallurgy, and physics and what not, but rather the Essence is the core component of many types of magic, one of which is obviously going to be evocation type magic; and that evocation can have some explosive tendencies." - Steven Sharif

"As we said in the past, were not really about that black powder life. Instead it's really going to be focused on the arcane arts: The elements; the use of radiance and darkness; and then those being employed in larger weaponry, such as the type of siege weaponry between ship battles as well as those and sieges." - Steven Sharif

Sorry buddy, it's not happening.

CROW3

I'm ok having one more place in this world without guns in it.

Karast

Potion launchers are the firearm-y type weapons in Ashes which seems to be a point of negativity in a part of the community. I personally like the concept but would prefer to see them with less firearm / rifle style design and more slingshot / crossbow style setups. I really want to see what they can do with the concept since it could be a unique selling point for weapon types in Ashes. I would be really happy with a ranged support weapon that could heal, damage, or buff depending on ammunition.

Rookk

daveywavey wrote: »

Vvess wrote: »

aww man really? i mean i have literally 0 idea why EVERYONE seems to hate the idea of like a bolt action rifle or hell a musket or blunderbuss of flintlock weapons

Because it's High Fantasy. Think Medieval-style weaponry along with magic. No guns! You want guns, go back to World Of Borecraft!

newsflahs, there are reports of firearm type weapons being used all the way back in the mid 1300's sooooo when you say 'medieval-style weapons' that does include guns....

Rookk

Vhaeyne wrote: »

I think any setting that does not have guns exists in a state where people are too advanced to need them(Dune kinda) or not advanced enough to have them yet(lotr/cavemen).

beyond that unless your telling me that ANYONE in the AoC world can use magic and all forms of weaponry to the same level as the best in their world there is MORE THAN ENOUGH REASON FOR GUNS..... because if you have the threat of some crazy batshit wizard blasting you in the fuckin gut with a fireball and your not skills with a bow or sword or any type of weapon or form of combat than your literally screwed so it makes more than enough sense that guns would become a thing ESPECIALLY so town guards have a easier time being trained and dealing with all the crazy stuff in the world cus while a single mage CAN if trained right blast away any monster that they come across just how many people do you expect like that to actually exist and more than that are you telling me that all town guards can use that advanced as shit magic?

Rookk

all in all im only seeing poor reasons and purely subjective reasons being spewed here that for whatever reason you all HATE the idea of guns in an mmo like this SOOO fuckin much that you refuse to even entertain the idea. may as well throw out swords and bows too cause We HaVe MaGiC!!!! yea maybe next time rather than try to present reasons for your opinion that will be shown in less than a damn second to be wrong just accept you are purely acting on emotion and say it cause it saves so much damn time of pure arguing and lets us get to actual discussion of me explaining why i think guns would be fun and like a homosexual man having the fun times with another homosexual man doesnt hurt those super conservitive church goers, if you saw the occasional person walk around with a gun than especially if crossbows get added to the game than literally in what way does it detract from your experence? especially if crossbows shots come out with like a semi like orangish hue than literally t he only difference between them and guns is purely the athestics of the damn model... like seriously wands are just magic pistols for fucks sakes...

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