Should your clan be able to see your trade skill levels?

Just a thought, in other games there are often shouts out for particular grade/level crafters etc. so wondering if it would be considered a valuable thing to have in the in-house guild menu that lists all guild members to have a table along side player name, level, rank level in the clan menu/screen and also show selective skill stats for others to see?

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Noaani

Yes.

Most MMO's I've played have this. It is and should be somewhat standard.

JustVine

No.

If people in your guild want to know your stats, they should just ask. It is a simple mutual social interaction that is ground work for other social interactions. It's one of those convenience optimizations that sound nice on paper, but just make it harder to tell how a guild and people operate as a social unit when you are starting out. People with dedicated guilds can and do have other ways to operate their own spreadsheets that are going to be much more in depth than any ui anyway, and if they don't it's either not that important to them or they are just good at memorizing anyway.

Noaani

I would suggest that if you are in a guild that needs to obfuscate information in order to increase social interaction, you should probably not be in such a shit guild.

Azherae

akabear wrote: »

Just a thought, in other games there are often shouts out for particular grade/level crafters etc. so wondering if it would be considered a valuable thing to have in the in-house guild menu that lists all guild members to have a table along side player name, level, rank level in the clan menu/screen and also show selective skill stats for others to see?

No, generally not. At least not automatically. Maybe make something available to post that information, but for many guilds this makes certain forms of growth harder since now they have to obfuscate information to prevent 'spies' or it changes the behaviour of new recruits in ways one might not consider good.

For established, powerful, or automatically tight-knit guilds it's great if they are only recruiting 'the best' or 'explicitly based on ingame achievements' or things like that, but it skews behaviour when a guild has something like, a single max level blacksmith who doesn't play that often but likes their flow, and then recruits who are just wandering in.

Human behaviour is complex and has lots of factors that 'color' it. Brains are uncomfortably predictable and habitual, and this is one of those places where even neutral or well-intentioned people are likely to have their behaviours shifted by information in ways that are often detrimental to social things.

mcstackerson

I don't see why you would want to hide this. I'd go a step further and say your guild members can see what you can craft.

Noaani

Azherae wrote: »

but it skews behaviour when a guild has something like, a single max level blacksmith who doesn't play that often but likes their flow, and then recruits who are just wandering in.

I am unsure how it would skew things here, care to elaborate?

Nerror

Not by default, but as a toggle, sure. It should always be up to the individual what info they are sharing with others, that isn't readily obvious by looking at the character.

Noaani

Nerror wrote: »

Not by default, but as a toggle, sure. It should always be up to the individual what info they are sharing with others, that isn't readily obvious by looking at the character.

While this is true, joining a guild is - as far as I am concerned - making that choice.

Why would anyone be in a guild they want to hide their crafting ability from?

Nerror

Noaani wrote: »

Nerror wrote: »

Not by default, but as a toggle, sure. It should always be up to the individual what info they are sharing with others, that isn't readily obvious by looking at the character.

While this is true, joining a guild is - as far as I am concerned - making that choice.

Why would anyone be in a guild they want to hide their crafting ability from?

Again, that's up to the individual. It's not up to you or me or anybody else but them to decide. Joining a guild is not a contract to sign over everything about you or your character.

Noaani

Nerror wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Nerror wrote: »

Not by default, but as a toggle, sure. It should always be up to the individual what info they are sharing with others, that isn't readily obvious by looking at the character.

While this is true, joining a guild is - as far as I am concerned - making that choice.

Why would anyone be in a guild they want to hide their crafting ability from?

Again, that's up to the individual. It's not up to you or me or anybody else but them to decide. Joining a guild is not a contract to sign over everything about you or your character.

Your crafting ability is not everything about your character - but i would argue that joining a guild IS signing over everything about your character.

Your guild is who you fight for, and who fights for you. Wanting to hide something as basic as what items you can make from these people is just odd.

Caww

mcstackerson wrote: »

I don't see why you would want to hide this. I'd go a step further and say your guild members can see what you can craft.

Usually you want to avoid having randos bother you to craft such and such and of course, they have no mats or gold to cover the items.

I think an option to allow your crafting skills to be seen and by what class of person (guild member, friend list, gen pop, etc) is a good QoL item.

I never used "Master Crafter" titles but maybe include some of those instead for name display.

neuroguy

Noaani wrote: »

Your crafting ability is not everything about your character - but i would argue that joining a guild IS signing over everything about your character.

Your guild is who you fight for, and who fights for you. Wanting to hide something as basic as what items you can make from these people is just odd.

You have a very narrow vision of a guild and what function it serves. Not all guilds function how you think they should and people enjoy a variety of play styles. It should be a toggle, you lose nothing if it is a toggle and you can accommodate play-styles and motivations you may not intuitively account for.

Sioneva

Noaani wrote: »

Nerror wrote: »

Not by default, but as a toggle, sure. It should always be up to the individual what info they are sharing with others, that isn't readily obvious by looking at the character.

While this is true, joining a guild is - as far as I am concerned - making that choice.

Why would anyone be in a guild they want to hide their crafting ability from?

Because in AOC you’re going to need group play to fully experience everything the game has to offer. Just because I’m in a guild doesn’t mean I want to spend the entire time crafting for random guildies because I have the best stats etc.

Having your stats freely available to everyone allows people to right click your character and be reminded oh yeah, I need XYZ and you fulfill that need. Do this for me.

You get some of that organically without displaying your stats, but there’s no doubt it’s exacerbated if you do show them.

Best system imho:
Toggle-able stats with the addition of permissions within the guild. Ie.) You can completely turn them off, have them available to certain members, etc

Noaani

AOCHype wrote: »

Having your stats freely available to everyone allows people to right click your character and be reminded oh yeah, I need XYZ and you fulfill that need. Do this for me.

If you are the kind of person that would obfuscate how you are able to help out those people that fight for you, then you are the kind of person that would say no when those people that fight for you ask for help.

neuroguy wrote: »

You have a very narrow vision of a guild and what function it serves.

In a game like AoC, where anyone can attack you at any time, and where you are only able to join a single guild at a time, very few guilds are going to exist that are not there to fight for each other.

The kind of player that isn't joining a close knit guild, or a guild of top end players, is the kind of player that most needs their guild to fight for them.

People that join guilds that do not do this will soon learn their mistake and rectify it.

JustVine

Spies

Noaani

JustVine wrote: »

Spies

Care to elaborate?

neuroguy

Noaani wrote: »

neuroguy wrote: »

You have a very narrow vision of a guild and what function it serves.

In a game like AoC, where anyone can attack you at any time, and where you are only able to join a single guild at a time, very few guilds are going to exist that are not there to fight for each other.

The kind of player that isn't joining a close knit guild, or a guild of top end players, is the kind of player that most needs their guild to fight for them.

People that join guilds that do not do this will soon learn their mistake and rectify it.

In a game that is potentially years from coming out, you know the 'correct' way a guild should operate in a video game designed to be enjoyed by many people with their subjective experience. And you are so correct and accurate that in fact, everyone else will see and 'learn their mistake and rectify it'. Good talk.

Sioneva

Noaani wrote: »

AOCHype wrote: »

Having your stats freely available to everyone allows people to right click your character and be reminded oh yeah, I need XYZ and you fulfill that need. Do this for me.

If you are the kind of person that would obfuscate how you are able to help out those people that fight for you, then you are the kind of person that would say no when those people that fight for you ask for help.

neuroguy wrote: »

You have a very narrow vision of a guild and what function it serves.

In a game like AoC, where anyone can attack you at any time, and where you are only able to join a single guild at a time, very few guilds are going to exist that are not there to fight for each other.

The kind of player that isn't joining a close knit guild, or a guild of top end players, is the kind of player that most needs their guild to fight for them.

People that join guilds that do not do this will soon learn their mistake and rectify it.

Boy, that sure is a lot of assumptions

. You and I both know you're not going to drop everything for every little cry for help from the guild, the important part is pulling weight when it matters for something like guild events. And in addition, helping out on those little cries for help when you can.

May I ask why you see it necessary to see everyone's skills? Especially considering you're in such a tight knit group. Perhaps it could be a guild policy, some guilds could require having skills toggled... something tells me very few would make that a hard requirement.

CROW3

I’m fine with a flag that says ‘Allow guildies to see you crafting recipes/skill’ and default it to ‘Yes.’

If you want to hide it, then hide it. IMO it doesn’t have to be more complicated.

Noaani

AOCHype wrote: »

May I ask why you see it necessary to see everyone's skills? Especially considering you're in such a tight knit group.

Lets assume the game ends up having a system like what CROW3 above suggests - there is a toggle that defaults to yes.

If you are in a guild, and you switch that toggle to saying no, you are saying that you are not willing to help out people in the guild. You are purposefully obfuscating the assistance you could offer.

Being a successful crafter in Ashes is going to require running caravans. Running caravans is going to require many hands. I am not going to use the guild to help you run caravans if you are not willing to help the guild out by making things for those that want them made.

It then behooves any guild leader to ask the question, if you are not in the guild to get or receive assistance, why are you in the guild? You do not need assistance from the guild, and you are not assisting the guild.

Guild membership is finite, why waste it on such a person?

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