Currencies

What are people's thoughts on currency? Are people wanting something simple such as just Gold and Silver? Or are people wanting multiple currencies that may pertain to each zone? I have found in Games such as wow.. one of the big complaints is that there are to many currencies to organize or collect to buy items(to then never use it afterwards)

What I believe would be ideal is to have silver and gold (repair costs, buy ingredients, rewards for a bounty hunt, etc)... and then each playable race to have a currency (purchase armors, mounts, pay for caravans, buy a home of that style ) Then at a trade house or auction house, one can pay a fee to purchase or sell that racial currency, for Gold or silver.

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Goalid

I think multiple currencies in Ashes of Creation would be just a huge headache. It sounds pretty interesting from the perspective of "oh, how are the value of these currencies changing in respect to one another?" But the reality is that it just makes people bang their head against a wall.

RazThemun

I agree, I think taking on to many currencies would be a huge headache

unknownsystemerror

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Template:Currency

Caww

I'm too simple to deal with Exchange Rates so I'm hoping the current plan for a nice straight-forward pile of good-looking, easy to count and carry gold will suffice.

Azherae

From what little I currently understand for sure about their economic system, I'd prefer 2, max 3 currencies.

Gold, obviously, and then something that is tied to time or higher-level investment, that new players don't even need, and isn't obtainable through just throwing gold at it in a conversion situation.

This provides a buffer against gold duping exploits while Intrepid flushes all those out, and prevents higher level players from completely dominating all new players in the realm of Gold (where low level players need it).

It's also good to have some stuff that is tied to something other than just 'time input' to slow down or otherwise stress out RMT/bots more quickly. Forcing players who want a secondary currency to 'spend gold on the things to prepare to get it' and then still have to actually do some content or group up, will help people find gold-buyers quicker, and gatekeep them in certain ways other than 'having to constantly track them down and kill them' or similar things.

I am not sure that Ashes would need a third currency, but it might be good to tie one to high ranking node or Castle stuff, basically something closer to a bartering thing that has less purpose, but most of the time, in games, some specific gatherable item that is rapidly consumed (for example, things used for enhancing) manages to fill this purpose.

In Ashes, I'm not sure that would happen, because they intend for you to be able to play Artisan stuff 'all the way' without having to raise your Adventuring level 'all the way', but the secondary currency might handle that if it 'activates' around level 30 or so instead.

I don't like single currency games without the buffers because they fall apart quite quickly with even a single gold-bug or a strong economic group banding together, and reward Goldsellers so fast, that it's usually worth it for those people to keep creating accounts.

In a no-box-cost game, I would not want them to risk a single currency 'relevant across all player levels'.

tautau

As @unknownsystemerror linked above, there will be a single game currency, gold.

However, anything of enduring value can be treated as a pseudo-currency. Examples in our current economy are gold and silver, while not legal tender, they retain value reliably.

So, in AoC I expect that materials which have reliable demand at a recognized value could function this way. For example, if Iron Ore has a recognized price of 5 gold, someone might be willing to take 20 iron ore in exchange for a knife worth 100 gold. A crafty merchant might offer the knife for 25 iron ore or 100 gold, and be happy to take the iron ore form the country bumpkin who does not bother to keep track of commodity values.

Veeshan

keep standard currency however they can introduce tokens for certain thing if they want a vendor that requires you to do a certain activity to buy certain items.

There no reason to over complicate currencies.
Although if could be interesting to have a currency type for the 5 races species where there exchange rate is based on how much of that type in the game and vendors take the currency of what there building architect it like but i think thats complicating something that doesnt relay need to be

Azrial

noo I would definitely stick with gold,silver maybe some type of rare vender currency, and the possibility of tavern games currencies/Tokens which they have already talked about but doing loads and loads of currencies would be a ballache for the market and player trading I feel.
Good post though if I'm honest I have not really thought too much of where they will go with this.

Noaani

Azherae wrote: »

I don't like single currency games without the buffers because they fall apart quite quickly with even a single gold-bug or a strong economic group banding together, and reward Goldsellers so fast, that it's usually worth it for those people to keep creating accounts.

While this is true, multiple currencies as you are describing them result in significantly dumbed down economies.

A game as you describe it would not have a high end player to player economy at all.

George_Black

Currencies mean instanced or daily content.
Gold + 1 more currency would mean a healthier game.

Stuff like undaunted chest keys from eso are also currencies, forcing you to do a very specific tast every day to get something from a very specific vendor.

Same thing with tomes in ff14.

Ideally, a good mmo should only have gold coins. Let the players play freely and earn with various ways.

CROW3

The gold standard is simple and intuitive. I’m just surprised no one brought up crypto. 🤫

Noaani

CROW3 wrote: »

The gold standard is simple and intuitive. I’m just surprised no one brought up crypto. 🤫

You know what this game needs?

NFT's!

Vaknar

As fun as currency exchanging is IRL, I'd be afraid to have to think of it in a game as well (╯ ͡ಥ ͜ʖ ͡ಥ)╯┻━┻
Could you imagine a Verra where each region, race, or node has its own currency?

JustVine

Vaknar wrote: »

As fun as currency exchanging is IRL, I'd be afraid to have to think of it in a game as well (╯ ͡ಥ ͜ʖ ͡ಥ)╯┻━┻
Could you imagine a Verra where each region, race, or node has its own currency?

I mean....

Hunting certificates is a term that covers items, such as Pelts that house the value of a mob's death. These certificates are specific to an economic region. These are intended as an alternative mechanic to acquire gold.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Hunting_certificates

Are the same things intimidating to you in this system than in an exchange rate system @Vaknar? That sort of reaction might be good for the devs to consider if so.

Birthday

Hunting certificates sound great. There is a fun risk & reward there promoting traveling and the caraven system.

Multiple currencies sounds like a head ache.

Noaani

CROW3 wrote: »

Are the same things intimidating to you in this system than in an exchange rate system @Vaknar? That sort of reaction might be good for the devs to consider if so.

These are less of an alternate currency or item to be exchanged with variable rate, and more likely to be distance based where the further you take them, the more they are worth.

As a system, it is very similar to early trade packs in Archeage (the game that is the biggest influence for Ashes). They originate in one zone, and you turn them in for gold in a different zone. The greater the distance between the two, the greater the profit you make.

McMackMuck

From the devs perspective I don't envisage a positive outcome from a cost-benefit assessment of multiple currencies.

There's enough complexity due to the degree of variability in the cost of commodities. i.e. some common gatherables will hold a stable value, others will be more variable. As @tautau mentioned above, pseudo currencies will exist in the form of bartering goods at semi-fixed (semi-variable!) gold equivalent values. The variability leaves room for smart traders to make a profit.

Thulf

One currency to rule them all. One currency to find them. One currency to bring them all and...

arsnn

Most MMOs that have several currencies use them to isolate progression of systems.
Doin some PvP? Get PvP coins! You mostly can not exchange them, so that a Farmer can not achieve stuff in PvP reward structures easily.
This is a very themepark way of doin things, the best example is lost ark. That game wants everyone to have the same requirements to progress.

At any point where Intrepid wants people to be funneled through the same requirements, they are gonna need some kind of extra currency.
According to the wiki Social orgs and Religions are such systems.

As for regionalized currencies… why make things unnecessary complicated? Fluctuations and huge sophisticated macro economic systems are not that fun lol

superhero6785

There should be ONE currency in the game, call it whatever you want, but it's used to buy/sell everything in-game. And no decimals or "dollars/cents". Give me nice whole numbers. The minute you start introducing multiple currencies or exchange rates, you begin isolating regions. Just like in the real world, regions that do a lot of trade ultimately standardize their currency, and regions that don't (for political or other reasons) deal with the struggles of it. Why force those struggles on players simply for "realism"? If there's going to be a cash shop currency for cosmetics, that's fine, but keep it out of the main game. I don't want to see vendors that only accept a special currency.

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