What do you like about open-world PvP?

Hi,

Because of the recent PvP discussion I got really curious and wanted to find out what people love so much about open-world PvP. I've never really understood it because from my experience you are always put into a situation where you can't/have extremely low chance to win.

Majority of my experience with open-world PvP have been while I'm 1v1ing a mob. So not only am I low hp & mp from attacking a mob and my skills are on cooldown but also I'm facing a mob and a player at the same time AND the player got the advantage of attacking first meaning his skills will be reusable again sooner.

I'm not against open-world PvP at all, I understand that people do enjoy it, I just want to understand a little more why people enjoy it so much when (to me personally) majority of open-world PvP seems like just unfair fights with almost no chance of survival for the defender.

Cheers.

*Again I'm not against the open-world PvP, just wanna make that clear.*

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Amalrick

Reskun123 wrote: »

Hi,

Because of the recent PvP discussion I got really curious and wanted to find out what people love so much about open-world PvP. I've never really understood it because from my experience you are always put into a situation where you can't/have extremely low chance to win.

Majority of my experience with open-world PvP have been while I'm 1v1ing a mob. So not only am I low hp & mp from attacking a mob and my skills are on cooldown but also I'm facing a mob and a player at the same time AND the player got the advantage of attacking first meaning his skills will be reusable again sooner.

I'm not against open-world PvP at all, I understand that people do enjoy it, I just want to understand a little more why people enjoy it so much when (to me personally) majority of open-world PvP seems like just unfair fights with almost no chance of survival for the defender.

Cheers.

*Again I'm not against the open-world PvP, just wanna make that clear.*

I think my experience from Lineage2 was that mainly the game revolved around making friends, grouping up and not leaving Goddard or any town without company. This can go two ways in Ashes, I hope it will not result in solo play being bad but then again, the corruption systems in Lineage2 was different than what it will be in AOC

SirChancelot

George_Black wrote: »

The title is "what do you like about open world pvp" yet some here decided to QQ again.

Dude
Go read the opening post again

Reskun123 wrote: »

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I'm not against open-world PvP at all, I understand that people do enjoy it, I just want to understand a little more why people enjoy it so much when (to me personally) majority of open-world PvP seems like just unfair fights with almost no chance of survival for the defender.

Cheers.

*Again I'm not against the open-world PvP, just wanna make that clear.*

I was just agreeing with his statements. There are upsides and downsides to it.

I enjoy the PvP. I usually play tanky characters and love when I get attacked by 2/3 people and remain un-killable until I wear them down and kill them.

I don't enjoy being steamrolled 10v1 or camped by someone way higher level than me because he is trying to make himself feel better.

So I'm all for owpvp.
But I also hope the corruption system can deliver and stave off some of those more outlying unfair fights and negative aspects that just aren't fun

HumblePuffin

“…the more players you kill, the more corruption you gain, the higher your combat efficacy in PVP diminishes. If you're out there and you killed you know 20 players... you will not be able to perform in PVP any longer. You will need to take that character and go work off that corruption. The other aspect of corruption is that if you kill another player, who is a non-combatant and the level disparity between you and that player is great, you will gain a higher amount of corruption from that single kill. To the point where you should not be killing a level one character.”[2] – Steven Sharif

It’s comments like these that make me feel confident they are going to actually try to do their best to make owpvp feel somewhat “fair”. Steven doesn’t come off as someone who is actually a pvper but wants to trick PvE players into playing his blood bath of a game, and he doesn’t come off as a PvE “carebear” who just wants to try to lure in people who want a western game with owpvp.

From my perspective looking in, his comments feel like someone who is trying his best to add a sense of fear and consequence to the world, without it just being a free for all gank fest, and that makes me feel like he is someone who will listen to both sides of the coin, and balance accordingly without totally caving to either side.

Deepwood

I guess that this game has not the potential and mechanics for a good competitive group-wise PvP experience. Like a 5vs5 or 10vs10 including ladders. But that's in my opinion no disadvantage because games usually focus on competitive PvP or massively PvP battles. AoC will have its advantage in huge castle and/or Node sieges.

I'm not the greatest PvP player but I loved the mechanics in Warhammer online and Guild Wars 2. For sure, both had their weaknesses but they had lot of potential and it was always thrilling to go into the PvP areas. Especially the seamless transition of PvE areas and PvP areas in Warhammer online was really a good concept. Also that these events influenced the PvE content in some way.

I'm interested how they want to put the PvP into the Lore context. As far as I remember there are no factions. Will it be a Server vs Server PvP? Will it be limited to a Guild vs Guild? I am very excited to get more Information in the Future.

HumblePuffin

Deepwood wrote: »

*snip*.

We have quite a bit of information regarding the various avenues of PvP, and a lot of your inquiries are answered on the wiki. Instead of typing a book with all the information we have it’s easier to just link the wiki page for you to read at your leisure.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/PvP

SirChancelot

HumblePuffin wrote: »

“…the more players you kill, the more corruption you gain, the higher your combat efficacy in PVP diminishes. If you're out there and you killed you know 20 players... you will not be able to perform in PVP any longer. You will need to take that character and go work off that corruption. The other aspect of corruption is that if you kill another player, who is a non-combatant and the level disparity between you and that player is great, you will gain a higher amount of corruption from that single kill. To the point where you should not be killing a level one character.”[2] – Steven Sharif

It’s comments like these that make me feel confident they are going to actually try to do their best to make owpvp feel somewhat “fair”. Steven doesn’t come off as someone who is actually a pvper but wants to trick PvE players into playing his blood bath of a game, and he doesn’t come off as a PvE “carebear” who just wants to try to lure in people who want a western game with owpvp.

From my perspective looking in, his comments feel like someone who is trying his best to add a sense of fear and consequence to the world, without it just being a free for all gank fest, and that makes me feel like he is someone who will listen to both sides of the coin, and balance accordingly without totally caving to either side.

Exactly my thoughts
Which is why I'm so hopefull for this game

Szaas

It encourages awareness and playing smart. It also teaches how to use your character's kit to its maximimum.
Also that one time where you managed to turn the table on some higher level gankers and win that epic fight... You'll remember this moment and feel great about that, because that was some serious challenge.

There will also be time you'll be staring at someone that will stare back, and decide not to fight, help each other instead and become friends.

I'm still unsure about the auto rez system of Ashes though. It will have to be tested to see if gankers can cover your potential rez points.

Dygz

I wouldn't feel great about turning the tables on the higher level gankers.
I would still be pissed off that I had to fight them when I wasn't in the mood for PvP combat.
Who wins that encountr is irrelevant.

Dygz

George_Black wrote: »

The title is "what do you like about open world pvp" yet some here decided to QQ again.

Dygz wrote: »

I like having the option to occasionally defend towns and cities for, maybe, an hour per day.

But.... to refocus a bit... and extend my initial response...
In Ashes, I also expect to enjoy defending Caravans when I am in the mood for PvP combat. And Siege combat was fun in Alpha One.
Again, objective-based PvP is what I love - winning the objectives; not killing - or even battling - other players.

HumblePuffin

Szaas wrote: »

I'm still unsure about the auto rez system of Ashes though. It will have to be tested to see if gankers can cover your potential rez points.

Not to derail too much, I just didn’t feel like it was enough for it’s own thread and I’ve been thinking about it a bunch lately. Aion had a thing called “kisks”. They were basically portable rez stones that you could craft/buy(idr which it’s been a long time). They would have a limited number of rezzes based on quality (5, 10, etc) in them but you could go out into the world or through a rift and place down a kisk, bind to it and after you died you got the option to rez at the kisk or whatever other town you were bound to.

I feel like in a game like AoC with no fast travel and a huuuge world a system like this could be interesting.

You always had to make sure you went and found a good hiding spot for it or else you’d end up with someone spawn camping your kisk but it added an interesting aspect to the game.

Bladen

The constant thought of a looming threat that could come out at any moment is such a great feeling to have and encounter. It makes the world feel more alive instead of the same old boring grind. Like if i go into this forest is someone waiting to get me? It also creates some of the most memorable experiences. I'm not going to remember killing some random mob but i will remember a player popping out and fighting me over a resource or something similar.

And let's be honest if you don't want random player interactions why are you playing an mmo?

Caww

nothing... but I'll suffer it for the large scale siege action which should be outstanding

Saint55

As a pvp focused player my favorite experiances in games happen in the open world.
1) Economic warfare: being able to attack my enemies source of income or supply lines. Small groups using hit and run tactics to influence wars (BLOPS fleets were super fun in Eve).

2) Claiming resources: back in new world it was just a race to whoever got to a resource first which was super fucking lame(especially since half the times its bots). Imagine having fought to siege and capture territory and all of its resources get scooped up by bots and randoms who got there a second faster.

3) Pvp progression(full or part loot games): Roaming/Camping/WhaleHunting are some fun experiances ive had with the bois but with loot drop it also allowed for a natural way for pvp players to make money through pvp. It really sucks as a pvp player when monetary progression is locked behind grinding.

4) Escalation(This was big in Eve): When out in the world and you get in a fight with another bandit group and they have more people than you. You then ping in guild discord that theres fights to be had and, when seeing you get more people, so do they. Many times ive experiances small gang roams turn into big blood baths and they have been some of the most fun ive had in an MMO.

velish

open world pvp blows

Bonfield

Pros:
-Unpredictability can be fun, as many people mentioned
-I've had a great deal of memorable experiences from wPvP
-Creates an incentive to group with other players
-Allows for bonding experiences with other players
-When you win it feels good

Cons:
-Unpredictability can be annoying. Sometimes I'm not in the mood, and I just want to log in for a lowkey farming session/grind out some boars.
-Some of those memorable experiences have been tilting
-Sometimes you can't find groups of other people, and find yourselves being ganked by 5v1 people
-In general wPvP is less about skill, and more about hitting first and getting the other guy in a cc chain (i.e. play a rogue); or, just zerging

Asthma

I hate open world PvP. You might get a 1v1 but more likely you’re outnumbered most the time. I hope the focus is more on instanced PvP.

Veeshan

Neiuso wrote: »

I like the unpredictability of it. Having to stay on my toes while I'm grinding mobs or farming resources keeps things interesting to me, and it provides for another form of interaction with players.

I also enjoy being able to fight over resources that I may want that someone else currently has - whether those resources are actual items or mats, or a valued grind spot. Having the choice to do so, whether I'm the aggressor or defender, feels better to me than it all being free to everyone in a way.

On top of those reasons, the convenience of open world PvP helps too. Knowing that I can go to some area in the open world known to be a gank fest rather than looking for arranged PvP elsewhere can be a nice change of pace.

This pretty much.

It also makes the world feel more alive due to added unpredictability of players aswell as well as combat unpredictability since you cant read players as easily as mobs. open world Pvp opens much more enjoyable experience imo than staged pvp since you can hunt/stalk your pray and also be hunted urself. Got to keep alert at most times

you use to get uinpredicability in PVE pre WoW area with roaming mobs higher lvl or stronger mobs wandering around and so on but not anymore its all become streamlined now i cant play PvE only games cause they feel dead and boring to me cxompared to old games.

Tbh the unfair element is missing in games these days. life isnt fair so you adapt games these days specificly PvE games try and make everything fair so no one realy adapts anymore they just do thje same thing over and over again like a robot till the task is done.

Sunboy

HumblePuffin

Asthma wrote: »

I hate open world PvP. You might get a 1v1 but more likely you’re outnumbered most the time. I hope the focus is more on instanced PvP.

Not to argue your general opinion, but instanced PvP will be the least common form of PvP, e.g.: arenas may only be available in military nodes.

While open world, ganking style PvP is also meant to not be the most common type of PvP, nodes sieges and caravans will all be in the open world.

Wiki resource on the specific topic if you don’t know much about their PvP systems. Apologies if you do know this stuff and you’re just hoping out loud. https://ashesofcreation.wiki/PvP

Asthma

HumblePuffin wrote: »

Asthma wrote: »

I hate open world PvP. You might get a 1v1 but more likely you’re outnumbered most the time. I hope the focus is more on instanced PvP.

Not to argue your general opinion, but instanced PvP will be the least common form of PvP, e.g.: arenas may only be available in military nodes.

While open world, ganking style PvP is also meant to not be the most common type of PvP, nodes sieges and caravans will all be in the open world.

Wiki resource on the specific topic if you don’t know much about their PvP systems. Apologies if you do know this stuff and you’re just hoping out loud. https://ashesofcreation.wiki/PvP

Hate to be pessimistic but there hasn’t been an mmo with successful open world PvP. Which is the reason I’m hesitant to be excited for it. As long as Arenas isn’t an afterthought, I think as a whole it can be successful.

I just want to play a competitive PvP mmo without the excessive grind. (ie. wow arenas) small scale PvP that can showcase individual skill is the most popular model is gaming imho.

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