For RP'ers? /Ignore Should Also Make the Harasser Invisible in Safe Zones

Ruined weddings, ruined guild expeditions, ruined public events; Yours truly has both hosted and attended plenty of player events that have been ruined/crashed by trolls.

In addition to not having to see what they are saying, would it be feasible to make a player on your Ignore List invisible, while in safe zones?

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superhero6785

Also it should make you invisible to them so they can't follow you around for others to witness.

I guess that would come with some caveats, like if you're currently engaging in a caravan or something.

Ludullu

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

In addition to not having to see what they are saying, would it be feasible to make a player on your Ignore List invisible, while in safe zones?

Afaik the only safe zone that would matter in this situation is your freehold and I'd rather just have the ability to expel anyone I want from my freehold's footprint.

CROW3

All for RP, but I'm not supportive of programmatically expanding the concept of safety. An /ignore command that could render PvX impotent would do away with some fundamental design goals for the game.

Clear work arounds would be finding a more secluded place to hold ceremonies and/or hire guards.

Tyranthraxus

superhero6785 wrote: »

Also it should make you invisible to them so they can't follow you around for others to witness.

I guess that would come with some caveats, like if you're currently engaging in a caravan or something.

/Agree. It could come in handy to also have a troll/harasser know not where you are, either. Caravans will be outside of any safe zones, though.

NiKr wrote: »

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

In addition to not having to see what they are saying, would it be feasible to make a player on your Ignore List invisible, while in safe zones?

Afaik the only safe zone that would matter in this situation is your freehold and I'd rather just have the ability to expel anyone I want from my freehold's footprint.

The interior of the towns are also safe zones. You can be ambushed/PK'd in a Node - but the interior of the Node's village/town/city/etc itself is a safe zone.

CROW3 wrote: »

All for RP, but I'm not supportive of programmatically expanding the concept of safety. An /ignore command that could render PvX impotent would do away with some fundamental design goals for the game.

Clear work arounds would be finding a more secluded place to hold ceremonies and/or hire guards.

I agree with you on the ethic of keeping safety concrete. In AoC, safety appears to be simple: you're either in a PvP-enabled zone, or a safe zone. For events outside of safe zones, I'm perfectly fine with the mechanics of the game making it possible for trolls to harass/interrupt events. After all, it's public space in a FFA zone; If you want to do somethere there, you take the risk of being publicly interrupted/harrassed, or even PK'd. *HOWEVER!* If hosting an event in a safe zone, I just feel like there should be additional tools to enable players to prevent other players from detracting from/ruining their immersion and/or experience.

Later today, will see if I still have a screenshot from SWG, as an example. I once attended a wedding that was publicly advertised. It was in a town's city hall building. At first, there was only 1 troll who showed up. However, two other players then also took it upon themselves to harass/ruin the event. They got naked (MMO naked = underwear), used /prone, and then circled around the Bride & Groom, and started spamming profane language and messages. The attendees were able to /ignore the players - which stopped us from seeing what they were saying - but then we were still left with 3 naked people crawling around the most-visual part of the ceremony. Since no one was town militia, we couldn't eject them from the town. The guild hosting was so upset, they cancelled the event, in favor of an un-advertised ceremony, on another date.

If we had a tool like /Ignore also making the players invisible, the trolls could have continued their shenanigans - but anyone who had /ignore'd them would have been none-the-wiser, and it wouldn't have mattered.

Ludullu

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

The interior of the towns are also safe zones. You can be ambushed/PK'd in a Node - but the interior of the Node's village/town/city/etc itself is a safe zone.

Do you have a quote for that? I tried looking for it before, but couldn't find it on the wiki.

bloodprophet

You can be attacked in town.
If someone goes corrupted the guards will attack you as the game sees you as a monster.

Edit:
On the guards page it says guard will KOS corrupted players. I think it was the 4k gameplay video where Steven said players can be attacked in town and if you go corrupted they will KOS you. Could be wrong.

Dygz

I think the interiors of towns technically are not safe zones for direct PvP combat.
Guards might treat Corrupted like monsters.
I think the point in time of the related quote, the devs were still thinking about how they want Guards to react to PvP, but technically towns are not safe zones.

Caww

Invisible players could still body-block you and continue their harassment.

unknownsystemerror

The only "safe zones" currently announced is your freehold, and inside housing with the door locked. You can set permissions on your freehold to excluded anyone you like from access. There are no "safe zone" instances for things like weddings and other RP events. You can go back and find the answer to the direct question I asked concerning weddings, funerals, etc a couple years back. The answer then was that they don't feel that the special event instancing was a needed feature and that people would need to keep knowledge of the event to those that matter, similar to caravan routes and timing. Enjoy your Red Weddings. I will be the guy in the band.

Tyranthraxus

Thanks to @bloodprophet, @Dygz, @Caww, and @unknownsystemerror; Prior to this, I'd always understood the Node's interior township to be a safe zone. It's kind of odd that it's arranged this way and pre-necessitates a cooldown timer on invincibility after being PK'd in a town so that you can't be spawn-killed, but it adds a.... probably unnecessary element of danger, in walking around the towns. AoC is supposed to have an element of danger, and I suppose that could be everywhere but your private sanctum.

Excellent point about the body-blocking. Had forgotten this was going to be a thing, and I hope it doesn't cause problems with entering/leaving buildings.

daveywavey

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

Ruined weddings, ruined guild expeditions, ruined public events; Yours truly has both hosted and attended plenty of player events that have been ruined/crashed by trolls.

In addition to not having to see what they are saying, would it be feasible to make a player on your Ignore List invisible, while in safe zones?

So, you wouldn't even see me as I tossed the rocks and mud balls at you?! Launched by an invisible hand?! That sounds awesome!!!

Tyranthraxus

daveywavey wrote: »

So, you wouldn't even see me as I tossed the rocks and mud balls at you?! Launched by an invisible hand?! That sounds awesome!!!

Yours truly be fine, with this; Events will apparently be prone to un-mitigated interference, unfortunately.

I suppose it's just a hazard to keep an eye out for, after launch.

tautau

Wedding/event guests can just have their alt red PK toon logged out nearby to bring over to kill the harassers. Nothing like a dirt nap to discourage them.

FuryBladeborne

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

...I'd always understood the Node's interior township to be a safe zone...
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It looks like the only totally safe spot in a node is if your character is currently selling in a stall.

"Players cannot PvP while inside (the footprint of)[1] a freehold (except following a successful node siege).[2][3]
Players are not able to be attacked or robbed while occupying their player stall inside the limits of a node.[4]"

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Safe_zones

Veeshan

why am i dieing??? oh it an invisible person i blocked is now attacking me

Victoria2

No, i think thats not a solution

JustVine

Veeshan wrote: »

why am i dieing??? oh it an invisible person i blocked is now attacking me

I mean, typically if one person blocks someone in a game that makes them invisible to the blocker, they become invisible to the blockee. So how the other person would attack them in such a scenario is beyond me. Especially with Ashes design relative to AoE not effecting players not engaged in combat.

I feel like block should mainly revolve around chat in a game like this. Corruption probably solves enough otherwise. That being said, I feel like the world is big enough that if you restricted the 'not seeing each other' things to chat, freeholds, and node centers it'd be enough to mitigate most of the possible harassment vectors as a compromise position for those who want full block.

Constantly KoSing someone outside those areas is going to need a separate more comprehensive strategy from a design perspective depending on how well corruption actually solves the problems that come with that behavior.

Spurius

It currupts a foundationof what an online RPG world is - it is a place with other people in it. If everyone sees different people depending on who they ignored, it is no longer a real place. And to solve what exactly? You can't handle other people following you around?

Tyranthraxus

Spurius wrote: »

It currupts a foundationof what an online RPG world is - it is a place with other people in it. If everyone sees different people depending on who they ignored, it is no longer a real place. And to solve what exactly? You can't handle other people following you around?

It'd be nice to not have a bunch of naked people spamming 'Heil H*tler" crawling around a bride and groom - at least in the screenshots, even if there actually are.

tautau

Simply PK players like that. PK them off the server.

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