Female Expression In AoC

As a Female MMO gamer I would like to suggest giving more effeminate options in armor styles. My concern is that I would like to have the option for dressing effeminately. The reason I am suggesting to make it optional is so people can dress as feminine or masculine or neutral as the player choses. This aids players self expression. Different armor styles as well as jewelry and makeup would be very helpful in this goal. I understand that you would like to keep things on the more practical side but this could be stifling to the communities creativity. Self expression and fashion is very important to me as a player I would like as many options as possible in creating my character.

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Kreed

I agree, players who chose a female character should be able to dress their character up in a fashion that makes them look really good and has some sex appeal.

It doesn't have to be sleazy but it should look good. There are a lot of female gamers who do want to dress up their characters as they do in real life. A wardrobe option for different occasions. Options for those who do and options for those that don't. I also like the idea to be able to skin a desired other armor set of the same caliber to change and enhance a certain style that someone may be interested in for their look. I remember in Neverwinter finding some gear that was lower level that looked good in a combination with other gear.

A separate wardrobe tab to turn on or off with its own storage setup would also be beneficial. Along with being to turn particular pieces of for showing. Like helmet or cape along with others possibly.

Being able to dye clothing and armor as well including parts and pieces separately would greatly help to customize a character.

Lithion

I agree! I'm probably not helping your case much because I'm a guy, but gosh darn it i love to make sexy female badass characters in games! They don't have to be skimpy bikini armor, but armor that is "Sexy" doesn't have to be revealing. I would also just love some more feminine looking or form fitting armor to have and wear and look good haha.

George_Black

I hope the devs hear this side of female players as well.

And hell why not.. last night I watched "Mollys Game" and I was thinking to myself, this is refreshing. What do I mean? Go watch the movie.

unknownsystemerror

They have ruled out the whole cross dressing thing. If a male character puts on a dress, it becomes the male equivalent. (The example given was a wedding dress becomes a tux.) Ashes already has different looks for male and female options. I suggest looking at the Majesty dress they 3d modeled one or two livestreams ago, and there are several other examples from monthly packs on the wiki. There are options for what is displayed when it comes to different accessories, the main ones mentioned have been belt loadouts and back loadouts as to whether you display a backpack, a cloak, or nothing at all.

There is bound to be various cosmetic storage tabs since we know that there is a central "closet" for the account bound cosmetics. It has been explained that you select the character you want to outfit, take the cosmetic out of the closet, apply it, and done. Since you can only put a single cosmetic of a unique type on a single character, that is the one that wears it. If you want to take it off and use on another, reverse the process. Take it off, put in the closet, select the other character and apply it.

And dyes. Dyes have been a thing since inception. They sold them with the KS packs. The wiki is great starting point for finding things you may want to see, that they have already confirmed.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Dyes

RyanTheSiren

Agreed. Been playing MMORPGs my whole life, and in every game I'd say that 80% of my friends/guildmembers are women. Most of them LOVE the more feminine/skimpy outfits and costumes and mogs. The only thing they dislike is when skimpy clothes are the ONLY option for female characters.

I kind of am tired of seeing guys on these forums be so adamantly against "revealing" or "feminine" armor or cosmetics, like the Devs should listen to the ladies on this matter IMO.

Makeup is another thing that many games don't really put any effort into adding into the character creator that I see get a lot of flack from female players. The key thing in both cases in options, for male and female both.

Songcaller

It is a very difficult concept in my opinion. I obviously buy skimpy stuff, lingerie, tight leathers and anything else I want to see my real life partners in. However, in Ashes, the cosmetics have to fit multiple races - Including Tulnar. I do not see how some of our races would be able to wear something like this:

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It's an extreme example but a prudent one. Ultimately, the devs need to choose themes that can fit multiple races. Its not like BDO where all the sexy outfits all work because all the toons are relatively the same.

Dygz

I have a feeling the dev reply will be that the heroes venturing through the portals are doing so to brave a dangerous frontier; not to be sexy.
Let's see if they've changed their minds in the last few years.

Caww

If they provided non-armor outfit pieces (not the full body costumes) for events or in-town use, then they could expand the style of clothing for evenings out.

Voxtrium

They have said they want immersion to remain a key factor and a bra that counts as epic tier armor seems very counter intuitive, but i am willing to wager that they do create options on both sides. IE you'll be able to equip a bra for armor and you'll be able to equip full body heavy plate. They have said in the past they want to have female characters have the option to have the same heavy plate looking armor male characters have but i doubt that means they remove the ability to dress skimpily. I'd imagine they keep it intuitive, armor that comes in the form of a bra is probably lower tier to full plate armor that covers ever square inch of your body in dragon scales.

Victoria2

Yes, i agree with you!
Fashion is very important to me and i want there to be a lot of variety.
I dont want my character to look half naked, but i also dont want my character to look like Brienne of Tarth if you know what i mean.. ^^ Not that its bad, its pretty cool, but i just cant see all characters running around looking and dressed like Brienne of Tarth.

I would love different kinds of clothing, like a noble dress for example! That would be awesome!

Just.. variety! Thats not much to ask for

JustVine

Victoria wrote: »

Yes, i agree with you!
Fashion is very important to me and i want there to be a lot of variety.
I dont want my character to look half naked, but i also dont want my character to look like Brienne of Tarth if you know what i mean.. ^^ Not that its bad, its pretty cool, but i just cant see all characters running around looking and dressed like Brienne of Tarth.

I would love different kinds of clothing, like a noble dress for example! That would be awesome!

Just.. variety! Thats not much to ask for

I agree, but I just hate it when the variety stops in either direction because 'sex sells better'. I hope Intrepid can buck the trend and actually serve both sides of the market.

Luto

I'm all for wearing whatever armor you want that has the look and aesthetic that you want. If you want to dress up your character in a skimpy little chainmail bikini then go ahead and do so. Just keep in mind there are some player models that'll look great in that bikini while some others.... may make you wish you were blind. (I'm looking at you Vek, Ren Kai, and Tulnar)

JustVine

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

They have ruled out the whole cross dressing thing. If a male character puts on a dress, it becomes the male equivalent. (The example given was a wedding dress becomes a tux.) Ashes already has different looks for male and female options. I suggest looking at the Majesty dress they 3d modeled one or two livestreams ago, and there are several other examples from monthly packs on the wiki. There are options for what is displayed when it comes to different accessories, the main ones mentioned have been belt loadouts and back loadouts as to whether you display a backpack, a cloak, or nothing at all.

Just because they have different armor distinctions between male and female models doesn't mean they can't make crossdressing options available for some models. For example, let maid and butler costumes be a seperate set. Women can look sexy in a butler uniform, men can look cute in a maid outfit. It all depends on the form of the character in question relative to the cut and style of the outfit. I know I for one would really appreciate this since I'd definitely appreciate having some female NPC's at my bar in butler outfits while others are just in maid uniforms. And I certainly know some guys that'd appreciate the ability to have maid outfits on male characters. The fact they'd be making distinctions between the male and female versions of the outfits is technically BETTER for cross dressing since it means the models for each can be better cut and fitted for male and female body types.

Not only that but if we are going to have 'bikini armor' as some people have been calling for, I know I'm gunna riot if they don't give kilts, grass skirts, loin cloths, speedos, mankinis, and other sexualized and scantily clad armor pieces for the guys. I want the market to be served on both sides not just for women, but for men too.

Lithion

Victoria wrote: »

Yes, i agree with you!
Fashion is very important to me and i want there to be a lot of variety.
I dont want my character to look half naked, but i also dont want my character to look like Brienne of Tarth if you know what i mean.. ^^ Not that its bad, its pretty cool, but i just cant see all characters running around looking and dressed like Brienne of Tarth.

I would love different kinds of clothing, like a noble dress for example! That would be awesome!

Just.. variety! Thats not much to ask for

They actually have added a couple nice noble looking dresses, but not many.

Zahie

Personally I just want my female armor to be feminine and not look bulky but still practical and immersive for the purpose I'm wearing it. I usually like medium armor in the same aesthetics as Ciri from the Witcher has.
I have no interest in fashion that is obviously only made to please the dirty minds of some straight guys, like most of the female fashion in BDO...

From what I've seen there will be many feminine options. It will not be like in New World, that was a disaster imo.

Vaknar

It's certainly interesting seeing this thread, and others like it come up recently. I think we still have yet to see a large majority of the different gear appearances in the game (whether in-game achievable or cosmetic).

With that said, I think there may be gear sets in the future that please some who are concerned about this! Steven has said he doesn't like the idea of 'bikini armor' but hasn't ruled out form-fitting gear appearances, or more revealing ones ^_^

If you have thoughts on this and you're just happening to see this thread, please feel free to drop your thoughts in a comment!

Kreed

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

They have ruled out the whole cross dressing thing.

Thank the gods !!! but....

WTF does crossing got to do with this conversation, no one but you stated this. This is about female players dressing up female characters and making them look good. As in armor thats more specified towards the female build and wardrobe clothing that can have some sex appeal for the female characters.

Lithion

My main issue is what Intrepid defines as "feminine" armor. Looking through all the monthly cosmetics it seems most of the female armor is like they designed what looks cool for the male character and then just added boobs and that's the female. I'll show examples of what I mean.

Here are some of the armors I think are ok at having definite differences between male and female. (7)

Now for these next pictures I think that the designs are cool and we should keep making more like this, but i just think we should add in more variation between male and female also. So maybe just more often they have a pack with a very different female option. These, IN MY OPINION, are all pretty much set up that the female armor looks identical to the male armor but with boob bumps or very minor changes like different drawing on the front chestplate. (Which again, is perfectly fine, but would like bigger changes between male and female on more packs also.) (38)

As you can see there seems to be a lot more where the male and female are very similar, and on those I just kind of feel like they designed the male armor and then went, "ok now how do we make it female?

Kreed

As long as they are not as conservative as ESO's female wardrobes. Dont get me wrong ESO had some snappy sharp looking out fits but they still were lacking in Sex appeal.

The ones they did create to have sex appeal were terrible designs.

unknownsystemerror

Kreed wrote: »

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

They have ruled out the whole cross dressing thing.

Thank the gods !!! but....

WTF does crossing got to do with this conversation, no one but you stated this. This is about female players dressing up female characters and making them look good. As in armor thats more specified towards the female build and wardrobe clothing that can have some sex appeal for the female characters.

It is in the OP. "The reason I am suggesting to make it optional is so people can dress as feminine or masculine or neutral as the player choses."

I am all for letting the players have options. I was passing along that Intrepid has said no. You don't have to like the answer for it to be the current one. Keep fighting the good fight. I did. Till I got told by the Sandal Lord himself that I should maybe step away and take a break from Ashes if their decisions concerning cosmetics were upsetting me.

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