Guild/node should be tied to accounts

I feel being in a guild as well as a citizen in a node should be tied to an account akin to how black desert online does it. Since guilds will have limited slots it will make it more fair swapping between your alts as they will all be in the game guild if one joins it. Else you get the issue with people in a bunch of different guilds if they start having alt characters without being able to grow a unique community in the guild and it just turning into a bunch of alts in a single guild. Rather then making multiple guilds for alts it will be easier to manage in one so communities can more easily grow.

Also think if you can be in multiple guilds that cause some issues with people trying to use that to their advantage on being apart of a larger guild but then create smaller guilds for the buffs they can get to boost their character so they have more of an advantage in fights. So have their alt run a smaller guild and their main in the small guild for the boost. As well as the node system when it comes to voting for people and just being able to have a bunch of alts vote you in to being mayor of a node.

If you are going to be in a guild and node you shouldn't be able to make a character and be apart of every guild and every node on the map to use it to your advantage. If you are committing to node and guilds it should be account wise.

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Dolyem

I actually agree with this. It can also prevent 3rd party subversion as far as making an alt to spy on enemy guilds. You'd have to open another account in this instance if you wish to pursue that option as opposed to easily hopping on an alt and joining a guild you wish to peep on.

Ferryman

This is a hard topic tbh because I see some pros and cons with this, is it account wide or not. Anyhow, if players can benefit unwanted way when playing all over the world, then yes perhaps account wide could be a good option. However, freedom of choice to play in different nodes and guilds can easily be preferable direction from player pov. I have to think this a little bit more and come back later.

Mag7spy

Ferryman wrote: »

This is a hard topic tbh because I see some pros and cons with this, is it account wide or not. Anyhow, if players can benefit unwanted way when playing all over the world, then yes perhaps account wide could be a good option. However, freedom of choice to play in different nodes and guilds can easily be preferable direction from player pov. I have to think this a little bit more and come back later.

Plays will always have choice , nothing stops them from leaving to go to another node. There shouldn't be a point where you have 5+ characters at every node taking advantage of everyone one with lvl 5 characters just because its better for you. Takes away the worth of the main node you are invested in and attempt to further avoid risk.

Also no guild committed makes people hop in a bunch of other guilds with alts, that way you know they are committed to one guild and not having a reason to to spy to be in a bunch of other ones. As well as other design issues they can take advantage of which would get worse over time.

bloodprophet

Hard disagree. Players should not be forced into one guild. If guild cap is 50-300 depending on how they set their guild up forcing alts to be in the same guild would needlessly take up spots forcing people to decide if they want more people or make an alt.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Guilds

They also want espionage to be a thing and forcing people into a single guild destroys that as well.

Such a weird I hate alts thread.

Dygz

LMAO
No.
Alts are different characters. Different characters may have different interests.
Alts do not all have to be in the same guild. Spying in that manner officially is not an exploit.
Accounts are already restricted to one citizenship and one Freehold.

Ludullu

Pretty much what Prophet and Dygz already said. Spying is intended and the node citizenship is already account-wide and not character-specific.

Also, if my guild is in a guild war and I might not be in the mood to die a few hundred times that day, I'd prefer to have my alt be off-guild to still enjoy the game. Even the hardcore pvpers like to be free sometimes.

Mag7spy

bloodprophet wrote: »

Hard disagree. Players should not be forced into one guild. If guild cap is 50-300 depending on how they set their guild up forcing alts to be in the same guild would needlessly take up spots forcing people to decide if they want more people or make an alt.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Guilds

They also want espionage to be a thing and forcing people into a single guild destroys that as well.

Such a weird I hate alts thread.

The point is alts do not take up guild spots.

Mag7spy

NiKr wrote: »

Pretty much what Prophet and Dygz already said. Spying is intended and the node citizenship is already account-wide and not character-specific.

Also, if my guild is in a guild war and I might not be in the mood to die a few hundred times that day, I'd prefer to have my alt be off-guild to still enjoy the game. Even the hardcore pvpers like to be free sometimes.

Spying being intended does not mean alt character can be part of other nodes freely just to cause issues. It should be effort you put in yourself to leave a guild and join another and work at it like that. If you don't want to be in a fight then either don't got o the fight no one has to do everything 24/7, or have a offline mode that hides your name from being online. That is kind of a mute point as we have discord and a lot of other things to connect people. So if someone is choosing to hide so their guild mates don't know what they are doing it should be no different in discord and in game.

Mag7spy

Dygz wrote: »

LMAO
No.
Alts are different characters. Different characters may have different interests.
Alts do not all have to be in the same guild. Spying in that manner officially is not an exploit.
Accounts are already restricted to one citizenship and one Freehold.

Nothing to laugh about 100% your account should be guild bound as well and not in 10 different guilds.

Everyone know a alt is a different character, its not a different account though. Then that is part of the issue being solved being restricted to one citizenship. Guilds should be no different as they also provide perks.

Your character is still you what is this "different interest" that you are talking about in relation that will make a big different being in another guild. I don't see guilds as being that limited with the amount of types of guidls that will be out there.

Ludullu

Mag7spy wrote: »

Spying being intended does not mean alt character can be part of other nodes freely just to cause issues. It should be effort you put in yourself to leave a guild and join another and work at it like that. If you don't want to be in a fight then either don't got o the fight no one has to do everything 24/7, or have a offline mode that hides your name from being online. That is kind of a mute point as we have discord and a lot of other things to connect people. So if someone is choosing to hide so their guild mates don't know what they are doing it should be no different in discord and in game.

As been stated several times, node are account-wide so that's not an issue.

As for the guild thing. I'm not hiding from it, I'm taking a break. And having played L2 and having been in countless wars, just "going somewhere where there isn't war" isn't quite an option. Especially if you're in a big/strong guild.

Also, in order to get into a guild that's worth spying on, your alt would have to put in work either way. no self-respecting guild will just invite any rando off the street, so you'll have to work twice as hard to set up a proper spy there, so that it also a mute point.

Mag7spy

Also not a i hate alts thread, literarily a red herring as you didn't read my post. With the designs in the game a lot of things can be exploited, just like if you could be in multiple citizenships which you can't which is good. Being committed to a guild means you will help it grow, instead of having less commitment to any guild.

Mag7spy

NiKr wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Spying being intended does not mean alt character can be part of other nodes freely just to cause issues. It should be effort you put in yourself to leave a guild and join another and work at it like that. If you don't want to be in a fight then either don't got o the fight no one has to do everything 24/7, or have a offline mode that hides your name from being online. That is kind of a mute point as we have discord and a lot of other things to connect people. So if someone is choosing to hide so their guild mates don't know what they are doing it should be no different in discord and in game.

As been stated several times, node are account-wide so that's not an issue.

As for the guild thing. I'm not hiding from it, I'm taking a break. And having played L2 and having been in countless wars, just "going somewhere where there isn't war" isn't quite an option. Especially if you're in a big/strong guild.

Also, in order to get into a guild that's worth spying on, your alt would have to put in work either way. no self-respecting guild will just invite any rando off the street, so you'll have to work twice as hard to set up a proper spy there, so that it also a mute point.

And you simply can have a system set to appear offline in game so that is also a mute point.

Players having account bound guilds will make them work harder towards it or really decide which guild they want to be in. As well as not over flooding the guild member list with a bunch of potential alts. It will be easier to access all members on other characters when they are trying to do things with their guild. Im sure people plan on having alts and those can be a issue for guild member space.

Ludullu

Mag7spy wrote: »

Also not a i hate alts thread, literarily a red herring as you didn't read my post. With the designs in the game a lot of things can be exploited, just like if you could be in multiple citizenships which you can't which is good. Being committed to a guild means you will help it grow, instead of having less commitment to any guild.

And the guild determines that. If you're not providing enough benefit to them, they'll kick you.

Dygz

Mag7spy wrote: »

Nothing to laugh about 100% your account should be guild bound as well and not in 10 different guilds.

Pleanty to laugh about because you say 100% even though Steven does not agree with you.

Mag7spy wrote: »

Everyone know a alt is a different character, its not a different account though. Then that is part of the issue being solved being restricted to one citizenship. Guilds should be no different as they also provide perks.

The real point is that housing takes up realestate, while guild memberships do not.

Mag7spy wrote: »

Your character is still you what is this "different interest" that you are talking about in relation that will make a big different being in another guild. I don't see guilds as being that limited with the amount of types of guidls that will be out there.

Not from an in-game standpoint, no. From the in-game perspective, alts are separate characters.
Again, housing is restricted by accounts in an attempt to allow each player to have a house and a Freehold in the open world.

Dygz

Mag7spy wrote: »

Also not a i hate alts thread, literarily a red herring as you didn't read my post. With the designs in the game a lot of things can be exploited, just like if you could be in multiple citizenships which you can't which is good. Being committed to a guild means you will help it grow, instead of having less commitment to any guild.

Just because you can think of an exploit doesn't mean it truly is an exploit.
Also doesn't mean that eerything you imagine in your mind is actually possible in the game.

bloodprophet

Mag7spy wrote: »

Also not a i hate alts thread, literarily a red herring as you didn't read my post. With the designs in the game a lot of things can be exploited, just like if you could be in multiple citizenships which you can't which is good. Being committed to a guild means you will help it grow, instead of having less commitment to any guild.

Are you sure?

If alts are different characters why do they not take up guild slots?
If they take up character slots they should not take up slots elsewhere as well?

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Alts

Mag7spy

bloodprophet wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Also not a i hate alts thread, literarily a red herring as you didn't read my post. With the designs in the game a lot of things can be exploited, just like if you could be in multiple citizenships which you can't which is good. Being committed to a guild means you will help it grow, instead of having less commitment to any guild.

Are you sure?

If alts are different characters why do they not take up guild slots?
If they take up character slots they should not take up slots elsewhere as well?

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Alts

You can design things around a family, so it is your account in the guild over your character. Meaning swapping characters wouldn't take up slots in a guild.

Mag7spy

Dygz wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Nothing to laugh about 100% your account should be guild bound as well and not in 10 different guilds.

Pleanty to laugh about because you say 100% even though Steven does not agree with you.

Mag7spy wrote: »

Everyone know a alt is a different character, its not a different account though. Then that is part of the issue being solved being restricted to one citizenship. Guilds should be no different as they also provide perks.

The real point is that housing takes up realestate, while guild memberships do not.

Mag7spy wrote: »

Your character is still you what is this "different interest" that you are talking about in relation that will make a big different being in another guild. I don't see guilds as being that limited with the amount of types of guidls that will be out there.

Not from an in-game standpoint, no. From the in-game perspective, alts are separate characters.
Again, housing is restricted by accounts in an attempt to allow each player to have a house and a Freehold in the open world.

Lets take one point at a time then with this laughing one which I think is kind of funny since you are wanting PvE servers.

How does he not agree with me exactly, what points and proof do you have? I just was told citizenship is bound by node so clearly that is agreeable on. So what it is about guilds that is not agreeable that is 100% confirmed.

Alts are alts. And all the Alts are you as the same player, with the same mind. With the same goal.

George_Black

I agree. I just dont like seeing account_names on guild chat.
That should only be visible on the guild window. Never on the chat. It's an eyesore.

bloodprophet

Mag7spy wrote: »

bloodprophet wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

Also not a i hate alts thread, literarily a red herring as you didn't read my post. With the designs in the game a lot of things can be exploited, just like if you could be in multiple citizenships which you can't which is good. Being committed to a guild means you will help it grow, instead of having less commitment to any guild.

Are you sure?

If alts are different characters why do they not take up guild slots?
If they take up character slots they should not take up slots elsewhere as well?

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Alts

You can design things around a family, so it is your account in the guild over your character. Meaning swapping characters wouldn't take up slots in a guild.

What about multi-boxing. Should they also be tied to one guild? Same player after all.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Multi-boxing

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