I don't like action combat, and it could very potentially stop me from playing

I haven't played it yet, so I'm not drawing any sort of line yet. But steven asked for feedback about if we are going in a positive direction, and I'm just gonna say that every action combat korean type mmo I've ever played I have absolutely hated. I am tab target 100%, I think action combat only works from an overhead 3rd person perspective like diablo or league of legends or lost ark. I don't want to aim my ability's honestly, If I use a sword and get animation locked, and at the same time I'm required to dodge some kind of skill shot. I'm not gonna be happy. If I miss a spell as a spell caster because my mouse was 4 pixels off, same thing. Tab targeting let's me focus on what I think matters.

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Ratta

I find combat that's fully tab target to be boring and predictable for the most part. I want to be able to dodge a skill or land an incredible skill shot from across the map. It also creates an environment where min maxing and finding the perfect rotation is more important than getting better at your class or even just enaging with the world around you when you're in a fight. You know your skill will hit so you barely need to focus on what's in front of you.

ClintHardwood

I love action combat, personally. It adds another dimension of skill to the game and keeps mob grinding from becoming so mindless that you have to watch videos to keep your sanity through the same repetitive skill rotations. Positioning, timing, and skillshots. These are neigh invaluable aspects that keep combat strategy fresh even after a decade of use. And this is coming from someone who's generally bad at PvP.

CROW3

Ok.

Vissox

sb1285n wrote: »

I find combat that's fully tab target to be boring and predictable for the most part. I want to be able to dodge a skill or land an incredible skill shot from across the map. It also creates an environment where min maxing and finding the perfect rotation is more important than getting better at your class or even just enaging with the world around you when you're in a fight. You know your skill will hit so you barely need to focus on what's in front of you.

Any game that sits around long enough is gonna get a rotation. And if you don't like min maxing, I'm sorry but I have no idea why you play mmorpgs.

Ratta

ClintHardwood wrote: »

I love action combat, personally. It adds another dimension of skill to the game and keeps mob grinding from becoming so mindless that you have to watch videos to keep your sanity through the repetitive skill rotations. And this is coming from someone who's generally bad at combat.

Yeah, I agree with this as well. Killing BAMs in Tera while leveling is still one of my favorite MMO gaming experiences. The risk vs reward was spot on and couldn't exist if it wasn't action combat.

Chocometeor

They said it will be a hybrid between Action AND Tab target. today they only showed us an update about Action Combat and it looked very good. I like it alot (Im a Tab target fan too).
And now i hope we will see this new Combat style with Tab Targeting ''active'' to see how they will balance it.

Wildberry

"I want to be able to dodge a skill or land an incredible skill shot from across the map."
^^ So much this. It makes it a lot more fun and challenging.

The first time I played a game with action combat I hated it. But I stuck with it and after a while I came to like it way better. In games with tab targeting it never made sense to me that I couldn't dodge their attacks, it was frustrating tbh. Action combat is more realistic.

Ratta

Vissox wrote: »

sb1285n wrote: »

I find combat that's fully tab target to be boring and predictable for the most part. I want to be able to dodge a skill or land an incredible skill shot from across the map. It also creates an environment where min maxing and finding the perfect rotation is more important than getting better at your class or even just enaging with the world around you when you're in a fight. You know your skill will hit so you barely need to focus on what's in front of you.

Any game that sits around long enough is gonna get a rotation. And if you don't like min maxing, I'm sorry but I have no idea why you play mmorpgs.

No need to be rude. I didn't attack your point of view. Also, I never said rotations didn't exist in action games, nor did I say I didn't like min maxing.

Magic Man

Well good thing you can choose and have mostly (up to 75%) tab targeting skills should you wish. But don't expect it to be just as effective as people that have to aim their skills. If you are ''100% tab target guy'', this might not be the game for you - just like it isn't a game for ''100% action guys'' 🙂

Ratta

Magic Man wrote: »

Well good thing you can choose and have mostly (up to 75%) tab targeting skills should you wish. But don't expect it to be just as effective as people that have to aim their skills. If you are ''100% tab target guy'', this might not be the game for you - just like it isn't a game for ''100% action guys'' 🙂

Yeah I like this idea. Archeage had it and I liked that you could target enemies but not all skills were guaranteed to hit. Opposing players still had agency and could dodge if they were fast enough.

Vissox

Magic Man wrote: »

Well good thing you can choose and have mostly (up to 75%) tab targeting skills should you wish. But don't expect it to be just as effective as people that have to aim their skills. If you are ''100% tab target guy'', this might not be the game for you - just like it isn't a game for ''100% action guys'' 🙂

How would aiming your skills ever be more efficient than them automatically connecting every time? My point isn't even that I can't do it, it's that it isn't fun. I don't want to play twist and turn carpal tunnel simulator, If I did I'd go play karthus.

Ratta

Vissox wrote: »

Magic Man wrote: »

Well good thing you can choose and have mostly (up to 75%) tab targeting skills should you wish. But don't expect it to be just as effective as people that have to aim their skills. If you are ''100% tab target guy'', this might not be the game for you - just like it isn't a game for ''100% action guys'' 🙂

How would aiming your skills ever be more efficient than them automatically connecting every time? My point isn't even that I can't do it, it's that it isn't fun. I don't want to play twist and turn carpal tunnel simulator, If I did I'd go play karthus.

Because most hybrid games have a soft lock on feature so you can tab target but it's not guaranteed to hit. Lining up your shot and timing it with player movement would be more effective

ClintHardwood

Vissox wrote: »

Magic Man wrote: »

Well good thing you can choose and have mostly (up to 75%) tab targeting skills should you wish. But don't expect it to be just as effective as people that have to aim their skills. If you are ''100% tab target guy'', this might not be the game for you - just like it isn't a game for ''100% action guys'' 🙂

How would aiming your skills ever be more efficient than them automatically connecting every time? My point isn't even that I can't do it, it's that it isn't fun. I don't want to play twist and turn carpal tunnel simulator, If I did I'd go play karthus.

Because aimed skills generally have higher damage ceilings, while auto-hit abilities have lower damage or conditions on how they can be used.

Mag7spy

Tab target literarily no joke, puts me to sleep in a mmorpg. If I played pantheon I wouldn't last long standing still tab target attacking, and it just feels old age these days. Reason for tab target was more limits on what could be done in games back then.

Dygz

Well, hybrid combat has been a pillar since Kickstarter, so...

Tyranthraxus

I really, really like enough of the rest of the game that I won't much care if it ends up being a BDO-like or NWO-like combat system.

Yours truly has recently gone back to playing Star Wars Galaxies: Legends, and I *never* cared for ground-combat in that game; I was a crafter/trader and a spacer. Hoth was really neat, in the live game, but their ground-combat in SWG never impressed me. Like SWG, though, AoC looks to have enough side-systems and planned content that should make a player like me happy.

Am *TOTALLY* with you on action-combat, though. I just don't feel that it has a place in MMOs beyond single-player or small-group content.

Vissox

I guess I'm the only one? I feel as though people are putting very little thought into the implications of action combat. If it's bad, its really, really bad. Tab targeting is tried and true, and rotations are a pve exclusive thing guys. If you watch some WoW arena (as boring as it is) there is a lot more to interact with. I hope you guys are right on this one. =/

Ratta

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

Am *TOTALLY* with you on action-combat, though. I just don't feel that it has a place in MMOs beyond single-player or small-group content.

What about it makes you think it doesn't have a place? That's quite a statement to make. I may prefer action combat, but I can see why people enjoy tab targeting games.

Dygz

I probably wouldn't play BDO-like combat, but I don't think it can be BDO-like combat.
NWO combat is my upper limits for an MMORPG, I think.
What we just saw in the June Combat Demo looked excellent.

Vissox

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

I really, really like enough of the rest of the game that I won't much care if it ends up being a BDO-like or NWO-like combat system.

Yours truly has recently gone back to playing Star Wars Galaxies: Legends, and I *never* cared for ground-combat in that game; I was a crafter/trader and a spacer. Hoth was really neat, in the live game, but their ground-combat in SWG never impressed me. Like SWG, though, AoC looks to have enough side-systems and planned content that should make a player like me happy.

Am *TOTALLY* with you on action-combat, though. I just don't feel that it has a place in MMOs beyond single-player or small-group content.

My interpretation of mmos has always been get better gear, do better rotation, get better number. The complexity comes in pvp.

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