Intrepid - Clarification on Freehold Cosmetics - an answer is desperately needed

Hello all, I am hoping to work in getting Intrepid to try and expedite a reply with clarification on the paid-for Freehold cosmetics, how they will function in the game and any limitations that may exist as to how they can be used. I myself have not paid for anything, but a lot of people have and this is one of those grey areas that I think if Intrepid can just clear this up then it will serve as another move in Intrepid's favour of reassuring its audience/player base.

The freehold cosmetics have been on the monthly packs for years, and over a year ago the community was told that information would come out on this "soon". I think that this is different to asking for updates on a system in the game i.e. I want to see Naval updates - we will wait until it is ready for them to show. But this is a product being sold and right now the details of it are just not clear enough to justify it as a product.

I am very much behind the game and Steven/the team can put out so much information, so I am very surprised that this is something which is being kept so quiet on. I am unsure if there are genuine design issues that is preventing just an answer going out to the community, but I really think that it would be in their best interests to put out a comment explaining how these Freehold Skins exactly will function.

While I don't think this will generate an answer off the bat, I think that if collectively we can generate discussion, show interest/desire for this then with enough traction Intrepid may realise this is more important than they might give it some priority to divulge that information.

Please leave any thoughts and opinions that may help get this moving.

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tautau

Since the game isn't released, I fail to see the urgency of your request. Sure, it will be nice to know, but we will know by the time we need to know. Chill Pill, pal!

AidanKD

tautau wrote: »

Since the game isn't released, I fail to see the urgency of your request. Sure, it will be nice to know, but we will know by the time we need to know. Chill Pill, pal!

It's the fact that people are buying these under a preconception really in their own mind that they would be able to use it under any freehold. If this isn't true then people will very much feel fobbed out.

FYI as I have not purchased it I am not personally affiliated as such so really I am very much okay, but as someone who wants Intrepid to do well and knowing it has a few grey areas that could be addressed - why not nip this one in the bud and get it out of the way?

I don't think the greatest things the community every accomplished have ever been by sitting on their hands. No I believe that if we actually talk it out and show why we want something and can justify its need, then if its within reasonable means it can very much be achieved.

PenguinPaladin

I mean, the fact that it is a product being sold , thats yet to be defined well enough to satisfy some is a point.

But i think their blanket statment of "you have to earn the equivalent item in game to apply a cosmetic skin to it" covers this well enough. No matter how complex freehold get. If you have a "foundry building" skin, you have to do whatever it takes to end up with a foundry to use the skin. And so on.

Caww

It is possible that many people will own a freehold cosmetic but will not be able to use it given how difficult it will be to attain the freehold itself and only one per account so only one skin at a time. Myself I'm a little intimidated by Stevens statement on the wiki and don't buy the freehold skins at all.

"If a player wants to achieve a freehold they can achieve the freehold, however the amount of effort resources and time that's required in order to achieve that freehold is a large amount. It is something that is a monumental achievement for you to to get that freehold; and the reason why is because freeholds tie in very heavily to the processing artisanship aspect. Some processing can be done in nodes, but the best processing is done on freeholds; and we want to make sure that there's a little bit of a throttle or gate on the amount of effort that's necessary to achieve that influence over the processing market.[14] – Steven Sharif"

AidanKD

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

I mean, the fact that it is a product being sold , thats yet to be defined well enough to satisfy some is a point.

But i think their blanket statment of "you have to earn the equivalent item in game to apply a cosmetic skin to it" covers this well enough. No matter how complex freehold get. If you have a "foundry building" skin, you have to do whatever it takes to end up with a foundry to use the skin. And so on.

I guess my question would then be - can you tell looking at each and every cosmetic skin, what building it represents? You say foundry skin - does there have to be a visible smelter for example in the image for it to be clear? And do we conclude that it can only be used if you have a foundry building?

My issue would be with lack of clarity on what the building is going to be used as a skin for specifically when displayed in the monthly cosmetic pack - and less so that it can only be used as a skin on a specific building.

AidanKD

Caww wrote: »

It is possible that many people will own a freehold cosmetic but will not be able to use it given how difficult it will be to attain the freehold itself and only one per account so only one skin at a time. Myself I'm a little intimidated by Stevens statement on the wiki and don't buy the freehold skins at all.

"If a player wants to achieve a freehold they can achieve the freehold, however the amount of effort resources and time that's required in order to achieve that freehold is a large amount. It is something that is a monumental achievement for you to to get that freehold; and the reason why is because freeholds tie in very heavily to the processing artisanship aspect. Some processing can be done in nodes, but the best processing is done on freeholds; and we want to make sure that there's a little bit of a throttle or gate on the amount of effort that's necessary to achieve that influence over the processing market.[14] – Steven Sharif"

Personally while I think he went out of his way to express how it won't be so easy to get - I don't know for sure if it will necessarily be difficult or just a little bit of a grind. I agree that it would be good to know exactly how he is gating access to Freeholds and for example what kind of time commitment we might be looking at.

I think part of what he was saying is that anyone who wants it will be able to get it - as in perhaps it really is just spending time as opposed to it actually being *difficult* to get. But then that is just my interpretation.

PenguinPaladin

AidanKD wrote: »

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

I mean, the fact that it is a product being sold , thats yet to be defined well enough to satisfy some is a point.

But i think their blanket statment of "you have to earn the equivalent item in game to apply a cosmetic skin to it" covers this well enough. No matter how complex freehold get. If you have a "foundry building" skin, you have to do whatever it takes to end up with a foundry to use the skin. And so on.

I guess my question would then be - can you tell looking at each and every cosmetic skin, what building it represents? You say foundry skin - does there have to be a visible smelter for example in the image for it to be clear? And do we conclude that it can only be used if you have a foundry building?

My issue would be with lack of clarity on what the building is going to be used as a skin for specifically when displayed in the monthly cosmetic pack - and less so that it can only be used as a skin on a specific building.

You can have this same arguments for mounts.

What do i conclude is all the races that can be used on a lizard body type? Does it have to be a lizard? Can it only be used if i have the correct lizard base mount?

In ashes a "mount skin" is just as vuage as a building skin. Same with a "boat skin" as we dont know what makes a clasification between the types.

Still, you having to earn the exact type of base object to use the skin, still is a vuage explanation for this, that tells you exactly what it needs to.

Nerror

Yeah, I'm not buying any freehold skins until we get this clarified. We need to know what we are buying.

daveywavey

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

I mean, the fact that it is a product being sold , thats yet to be defined well enough to satisfy some is a point.

But i think their blanket statment of "you have to earn the equivalent item in game to apply a cosmetic skin to it" covers this well enough. No matter how complex freehold get. If you have a "foundry building" skin, you have to do whatever it takes to end up with a foundry to use the skin. And so on.

It's not a "Foundry skin", it's a "Freehold Building Cosmetic Skin".

AidanKD

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

You can have this same arguments for mounts.

What do i conclude is all the races that can be used on a lizard body type? Does it have to be a lizard? Can it only be used if i have the correct lizard base mount?

In ashes a "mount skin" is just as vuage as a building skin. Same with a "boat skin" as we dont know what makes a clasification between the types.

Still, you having to earn the exact type of base object to use the skin, still is a vuage explanation for this, that tells you exactly what it needs to.

I think this just makes me inclined to suggest that we could do with more clarity across the board rather than accept vagueness. I will admit that I feel the mount skins are a little less ambiguous as mounts for the most part all share a single purpose - though the exception is being the mount type i.e. glider, lower tier etc.

With the buildings you will probably be unable (unless it's known otherwise?) to have all building types present at one time I would suspect there will be a cap and you'll just have what you need + perhaps something gimicky.

PenguinPaladin

AidanKD wrote: »

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

You can have this same arguments for mounts.

What do i conclude is all the races that can be used on a lizard body type? Does it have to be a lizard? Can it only be used if i have the correct lizard base mount?

In ashes a "mount skin" is just as vuage as a building skin. Same with a "boat skin" as we dont know what makes a clasification between the types.

Still, you having to earn the exact type of base object to use the skin, still is a vuage explanation for this, that tells you exactly what it needs to.

I think this just makes me inclined to suggest that we could do with more clarity across the board rather than accept vagueness. I will admit that I feel the mount skins are a little less ambiguous as mounts for the most part all share a single purpose - though the exception is being the mount type i.e. glider, lower tier etc.

With the buildings you will probably be unable (unless it's known otherwise?) to have all building types present at one time I would suspect there will be a cap and you'll just have what you need + perhaps something gimicky.

I mean that is my argument. If you are content with the vagueness over mount skins, then the building skins are no different... i would say mount skins should be a larget problem because if expect 10x the amount of variable base skins at the least. So tracking down and figuing out exactly what you need to equip the skin you have to could be a chore.

And as you said. Mount teirs. If i bought a drake skin, and it turns out that is a royal mount skin. Then i would never be able to use that skin unless i became a mayor. @AidanKD sorry, i added to this, just in case you didnt see

AidanKD

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

You can have this same arguments for mounts.

What do i conclude is all the races that can be used on a lizard body type? Does it have to be a lizard? Can it only be used if i have the correct lizard base mount?

In ashes a "mount skin" is just as vuage as a building skin. Same with a "boat skin" as we dont know what makes a clasification between the types.

Still, you having to earn the exact type of base object to use the skin, still is a vuage explanation for this, that tells you exactly what it needs to.
I mean that is my argument. If you are content with the vagueness over mount skins, then the building skins are no different... i would say mount skins should be a larget problem because if expect 10x the amount of variable base skins at the least. So tracking down and figuing out exactly what you need to equip the skin you have to could be a chore.

I wouldn't say I am content, but that it is less of an issue. I think it's likely that as you need a base skin for the mount it's probably going to be somewhat accessible. And you can use any mounts at any time.

If the buildings are limited by what you can place on your freehold (lets say the largest plot a freehold you can have still cannot accommodate all buildings) - then it would be a shame that you say, can't use the skin because it's for a forge when you are focused on leatherworking.

daveywavey

It just seems odd to be selling anything when you don't know what it is.

"Buy this!"
"What is it?"
"I don't know...!"

Does make me wonder slightly how much of the rest of the game that they've told us about is in a similar state.

PenguinPaladin

daveywavey wrote: »

It just seems odd to be selling anything when you don't know what it is.

"Buy this!"
"What is it?"
"I don't know...!"

Does make me wonder slightly how much of the rest of the game that they've told us about is in a similar state.

It seems odd to be BUYING something when you dont know what it is.... the game still doesnt even exist yet. Why buy anything? It may never exist.

daveywavey

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

It just seems odd to be selling anything when you don't know what it is.

"Buy this!"
"What is it?"
"I don't know...!"

Does make me wonder slightly how much of the rest of the game that they've told us about is in a similar state.

It seems odd to be BUYING something when you dont know what it is.... the game still doesnt even exist yet. Why buy anything? It may never exist.

I thought I did know what it was, but have now found out, after buying it, that I don't after all.

PenguinPaladin

Have you used any of your cosmetics yet that you are worried over? I dont believe so. Asking for a refund is possible if you are concerned.

AidanKD

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Have you used any of your cosmetics yet that you are worried over? I dont believe so. Asking for a refund is possible if you are concerned.

It's good that they would honour a refund - but the crux of this is that providing some more information on something that shouldn't really be so much of a complicated issue, would put to bed queries that a good number of people would like to know. I just wonder why it's taken them so long given people have asked about this for a good while.

daveywavey

That would be fine if it had been bought within the last 90 days. And what's the point in having it refunded before I know what it is? Once Intrepid decide how they're going to let us use them, people can make that decision.

PenguinPaladin

daveywavey wrote: »

That would be fine if it had been bought within the last 90 days. And what's the point in having it refunded before I know what it is? Once Intrepid decide how they're going to let us use them, people can make that decision.

The 90 days, is only one of the ways to argue for a refund.

(2.) Is the ability to argue for a refund if the product was never used. With no time limit in place

Unless i am miss interpreting that. Then my bad if thats the case.

daveywavey

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

That would be fine if it had been bought within the last 90 days. And what's the point in having it refunded before I know what it is? Once Intrepid decide how they're going to let us use them, people can make that decision.

The 90 days, is only one of the ways to argue for a refund.

(2.) Is the ability to argue for a refund if the product was never used. With no time limit in place

And again, why ask for a refund before they've told me what it's going to be? It might end up being what I want it to be, and then I'd be pissed to have had it refunded. I just need to know.

The refund guide above also states that the conditions are (1) Within 90 days and (2) Not been used. The "and" rather than an "or" suggests that both conditions need to be met.

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