Is there any chance that different mounts will be better for different biomes?

We've seen this snail/horse hybrid mount in the desert biome preview and it made me think how slow would a snail be in the desert. Then this question started to bugging me. Do you think that mounts will have some kind of attribute system that determines it's effectiveness on different terrain / biomes?

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Asgerr

No but also yes.

No, because all mounts will be valid everywhere.

Yes, because aquatic mounts have been shown to move faster in water than they do on land. So in an area with lots of water, you get a better chance at moving faster than with a non aquatic one.

No, because the different types of mounts are ultimately cosmetic differences.

Yes, because mounts will have specific abilities to them and perhaps one ability is better against mobs in certain areas (some mounts can fight alongside you). However these can be bred into different mounts, so ultimately you can get whatever mount you want and retain what advantage that one skill may have provided.

PenguinPaladin

He is correct, ocean biome vs desert biome, the fish will go faster in water and slower in sand.

Warth

I honestly would like to see different terrain speeds for mounts.

This would give more depth to animal husbandry and taming.

This would also create a more nuanced economy for mounts as people were looking to colect mounts for different purposes

It would also make the mount system more interesting than "1-2 land based mounts are best for everything you do".

AidanKD

It actually crossed my mind about different mounts being effective in different biomes. I agree it would be very interesting having different ones being more optimal - although then it ALSO becomes you need x,y and z mounts in order to optimally travel across Verra.

Is that good, bad? Is it bad to have to account on various different circumstances with your gearing etc? Depends on inventory space maybe! But I like the idea that oh we are in the Desert? All the locals here appear to be on Camels and having an easier time getting across this terrain.

But will it become more of a pain in the @, or depth? I can't say for sure if that is a good balance or not

Nerror

Since they've already kinda opened that can of worms with aquatic mounts, I can see how mounts from a specific biome could get a small bonus when in that biome. Not as much as the aquatic mounts in water, but it does make sense to have a mountain goat be faster in a mountain region, because they are built for it. More secure footing etc. The exception would be their speed on a road, where all mounts should be getting the same equalized bonus overriding the biome bonus.

Warth

AidanKD wrote: »

It actually crossed my mind about different mounts being effective in different biomes. I agree it would be very interesting having different ones being more optimal - although then it ALSO becomes you need x,y and z mounts in order to optimally travel across Verra.

Is that good, bad? Is it bad to have to account on various different circumstances with your gearing etc? Depends on inventory space maybe! But I like the idea that oh we are in the Desert? All the locals here appear to be on Camels and having an easier time getting across this terrain.

But will it become more of a pain in the @, or depth? I can't say for sure if that is a good balance or not

I think inventory space could be easily dealt with. Just don't require mounts to be in the inventory.
Why would you? That's a 1998 system that should not be a thing anymore.

They already do that with elemental gear resistances and weapon typing, which is a much higher strain on the player's inventory either way.

Warth

Nerror wrote: »

Since they've already kinda opened that can of worms with aquatic mounts, I can see how mounts from a specific biome could get a small bonus when in that biome. Not as much as the aquatic mounts in water, but it does make sense to have a mountain goat be faster in a mountain region, because they are built for it. More secure footing etc. The exception would be their speed on a road, where all mounts should be getting the same equalized bonus overriding the biome bonus.

Agreed. You can even take it one step further (if you wish) and do seasonal and weather differences as well. But that's another discussion i feel like.

Biomes you could differentiate imo:

Woods
Marshes
Mountains
Snowplains
Desert
Grassplains
Caves and Underrealm?

Nerror

Sure and volcano too, if there is a tameable creatures in such a biome.

Edit: Basically all 18 minus perhaps the corrupted one: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Environments

Nerror

This also opens up for rare combinations of species at the highest levels of animal husbandry to have bonuses for several biomes at once. And for the failed attempts to have none.

Asgerr

Let's also not forget that some mounts are mules and others a mounts proper.

Mules are basically a mini caravan onto themselves, helping you carry materials gathered etc. I would assume that these mounts move slower than a regular one built for speed.

Both types can be targeted by other players. Should your mule die, you lose some of those materials and they are lootable by the players that killed it.

I'm sure some mules will have higher carrying capacities than other as well. And your saddles, pouches etc increase that inventory space.

PherPhur

Warth wrote: »

AidanKD wrote: »

It actually crossed my mind about different mounts being effective in different biomes. I agree it would be very interesting having different ones being more optimal - although then it ALSO becomes you need x,y and z mounts in order to optimally travel across Verra.

Is that good, bad? Is it bad to have to account on various different circumstances with your gearing etc? Depends on inventory space maybe! But I like the idea that oh we are in the Desert? All the locals here appear to be on Camels and having an easier time getting across this terrain.

But will it become more of a pain in the @, or depth? I can't say for sure if that is a good balance or not

I think inventory space could be easily dealt with. Just don't require mounts to be in the inventory.
Why would you? That's a 1998 system that should not be a thing anymore.

They already do that with elemental gear resistances and weapon typing, which is a much higher strain on the player's inventory either way.

Mounts should 1000% not be in the inventory, nor should they be anywhere but in the world. There's already a system in place in AoC for mounts to have health and the ability to die, there's no reason they should not stay in the world as well. Dismount and make them stay or follow you.

I absolutely despise the idea of a mount being summoned out of thin air.

PenguinPaladin

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Warth wrote: »

AidanKD wrote: »

It actually crossed my mind about different mounts being effective in different biomes. I agree it would be very interesting having different ones being more optimal - although then it ALSO becomes you need x,y and z mounts in order to optimally travel across Verra.

Is that good, bad? Is it bad to have to account on various different circumstances with your gearing etc? Depends on inventory space maybe! But I like the idea that oh we are in the Desert? All the locals here appear to be on Camels and having an easier time getting across this terrain.

But will it become more of a pain in the @, or depth? I can't say for sure if that is a good balance or not

I think inventory space could be easily dealt with. Just don't require mounts to be in the inventory.
Why would you? That's a 1998 system that should not be a thing anymore.

They already do that with elemental gear resistances and weapon typing, which is a much higher strain on the player's inventory either way.

Mounts should 1000% not be in the inventory, nor should they be anywhere but in the world. There's already a system in place in AoC for mounts to have health and the ability to die, there's no reason they should not stay in the world as well. Dismount and make them stay or follow you.

I absolutely despise the idea of a mount being summoned out of thin air.

This is simply a trade off....

This is where we have to acknowledge that the game is a game. Mounts never disappearing/not existing in a player inventory causes issues, because its a game. Players can own any number of mounts. They take up space, cant be walked through, among other issues. The simple solution, is to allow them to be summoned by items. And allow them to exist in an inventory. I never see an MMO existing where mounts are just always present for everyone, without them being limited access to certain players due to some status or acheivment. Because it causes problems.

More models to load. Balancing movement of herds of mounts, balancing combat when someones brought 10 mounts with them. And ashes is using "collector" mentality as a draw for their cosmetics and stuff. So limitimg players to owning only one mount wouldnt fit either.

This is just a not realistic take for an MMO of ashes design.

Warth

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Warth wrote: »

AidanKD wrote: »

It actually crossed my mind about different mounts being effective in different biomes. I agree it would be very interesting having different ones being more optimal - although then it ALSO becomes you need x,y and z mounts in order to optimally travel across Verra.

Is that good, bad? Is it bad to have to account on various different circumstances with your gearing etc? Depends on inventory space maybe! But I like the idea that oh we are in the Desert? All the locals here appear to be on Camels and having an easier time getting across this terrain.

But will it become more of a pain in the @, or depth? I can't say for sure if that is a good balance or not

I think inventory space could be easily dealt with. Just don't require mounts to be in the inventory.
Why would you? That's a 1998 system that should not be a thing anymore.

They already do that with elemental gear resistances and weapon typing, which is a much higher strain on the player's inventory either way.

Mounts should 1000% not be in the inventory, nor should they be anywhere but in the world. There's already a system in place in AoC for mounts to have health and the ability to die, there's no reason they should not stay in the world as well. Dismount and make them stay or follow you.

I absolutely despise the idea of a mount being summoned out of thin air.

This is simply a trade off....

This is where we have to acknowledge that the game is a game. Mounts never disappearing/not existing in a player inventory causes issues, because its a game. Players can own any number of mounts. They take up space, cant be walked through, among other issues. The simple solution, is to allow them to be summoned by items. And allow them to exist in an inventory. I never see an MMO existing where mounts are just always present for everyone, without them being limited access to certain players due to some status or acheivment. Because it causes problems.

More models to load. Balancing movement of herds of mounts, balancing combat when someones brought 10 mounts with them. And ashes is using "collector" mentality as a draw for their cosmetics and stuff. So limitimg players to owning only one mount wouldnt fit either.

This is just a not realistic take for an MMO of ashes design.

I do agree, that mounts permanently out won't work well in an MMO,

But i don't think they should need to take up inventory space. Why would they? Just handle them the same you do costumes. Instead of wardrobe, call it stable and summon it from there or a hotkey. This isn't 2003 anymore

PenguinPaladin

Warth wrote: »

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Warth wrote: »

AidanKD wrote: »

It actually crossed my mind about different mounts being effective in different biomes. I agree it would be very interesting having different ones being more optimal - although then it ALSO becomes you need x,y and z mounts in order to optimally travel across Verra.

Is that good, bad? Is it bad to have to account on various different circumstances with your gearing etc? Depends on inventory space maybe! But I like the idea that oh we are in the Desert? All the locals here appear to be on Camels and having an easier time getting across this terrain.

But will it become more of a pain in the @, or depth? I can't say for sure if that is a good balance or not

I think inventory space could be easily dealt with. Just don't require mounts to be in the inventory.
Why would you? That's a 1998 system that should not be a thing anymore.

They already do that with elemental gear resistances and weapon typing, which is a much higher strain on the player's inventory either way.

Mounts should 1000% not be in the inventory, nor should they be anywhere but in the world. There's already a system in place in AoC for mounts to have health and the ability to die, there's no reason they should not stay in the world as well. Dismount and make them stay or follow you.

I absolutely despise the idea of a mount being summoned out of thin air.

This is simply a trade off....

This is where we have to acknowledge that the game is a game. Mounts never disappearing/not existing in a player inventory causes issues, because its a game. Players can own any number of mounts. They take up space, cant be walked through, among other issues. The simple solution, is to allow them to be summoned by items. And allow them to exist in an inventory. I never see an MMO existing where mounts are just always present for everyone, without them being limited access to certain players due to some status or acheivment. Because it causes problems.

More models to load. Balancing movement of herds of mounts, balancing combat when someones brought 10 mounts with them. And ashes is using "collector" mentality as a draw for their cosmetics and stuff. So limitimg players to owning only one mount wouldnt fit either.

This is just a not realistic take for an MMO of ashes design.

I do agree, that mounts permanently out won't work well in an MMO,

But i don't think they should need to take up inventory space. Why would they? Just handle them the same you do costumes. Instead of wardrobe, call it stable and summon it from there or a hotkey. This isn't 2003 anymore

Giving mounts a "seperate storage area" then brings up balancing and ease of access....

Every mount taking up an inventory space, means you wont walk around with 10 mounts. Having a magic stable containing all your mounts at all times, lets you "always be prepaired" which doesnt seem like risk reward.

It either becomes too restrictive, only allowing a few mounts in this special slot, and needing to keep track of where your mounts are seeing as you cant carry them in a normal inventory slot. Or it becomes too easy allowing you to have all your mounts at all times.

And this still doesn't fix your "i never want to see a mount summoned" complaint to begin with. It seems you're moving towards, i dont want them taking up my inventory. And my response to that is, too bad. To come prepaired for various situations should require you having things in your inventory. Mounts included.

I dont know why what year it is should decide we dont balance game mechanics anymore.

Warth

You know there is more than 1 person writing in an online forum, right.?

Its kinda hard to talk with somebody who either puts words in your mouth or thinks you wrote something you never wrote.

So how about you re-read the thread, see where you went wrong and we start over from there with the points you brought up, as i think the balance might be a valid point

PenguinPaladin

Warth wrote: »

You know there is more than 1 person writing in an online forum, right.?

Its kinda hard to talk with somebody who either puts words in your mouth or thinks you wrote something you never wrote.

So how about you re-read the thread, see where you went wrong and we start over from there with the points you brought up, as i think the balance might be a valid point

Ah, my bad on thinking the topic i responded to, was yours. And thinking you were continuing that conversation.

PenguinPaladin

So, ill start by saying, you cant treat mounts like you treat cosmetics because the mounts have actual effects with in game situations.

Because they grant the player powers, movement speed, carry weight. You have to treat them as something one must be prepaired to use. You have to give then draw backs. They need to take up space in your inventory/be forgettable. You shouldnt always be able to just whip out whatever mount you want if you dont have it with you.

Is it immersive to think ive got 3 horses in my bag? No. Does needing to have them in my bag to use them help with overall gameplay balancing, preparation and planing for travel or combat? Yes.

Warth

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Warth wrote: »

You know there is more than 1 person writing in an online forum, right.?

Its kinda hard to talk with somebody who either puts words in your mouth or thinks you wrote something you never wrote.

So how about you re-read the thread, see where you went wrong and we start over from there with the points you brought up, as i think the balance might be a valid point

Ah, my bad on thinking the topic i responded to, was yours. And thinking you were continuing that conversation.

No worries friend. Happens to the best of us.

With that being said, i do see your reasoning with the balancing concern. I do however think, that carrying multiple in the inventory will have the exact samme effect.

As we've seen in Alpha 1, space itself really isn't much of a concern. Weight is going to be. With mounts not counting towards it, they "at least this far" aren't really meant to be a limiting factor. Which could change of course

PenguinPaladin

Warth wrote: »

PenguinPaladin wrote: »

Warth wrote: »

You know there is more than 1 person writing in an online forum, right.?

Its kinda hard to talk with somebody who either puts words in your mouth or thinks you wrote something you never wrote.

So how about you re-read the thread, see where you went wrong and we start over from there with the points you brought up, as i think the balance might be a valid point

Ah, my bad on thinking the topic i responded to, was yours. And thinking you were continuing that conversation.

No worries friend. Happens to the best of us.

With that being said, i do see your reasoning with the balancing concern. I do however think, that carrying multiple in the inventory will have the exact samme effect.

As we've seen in Alpha 1, space itself really isn't much of a concern. Weight is going to be. With mounts not counting towards it, they "at least this far" aren't really meant to be a limiting factor. Which could change of course

I think this is wrong, but i cant quote anything.

Im 80% sure the inventory is being limited by slots, not weight. And so a mount could take up a slot that could be 50 of something else.

Warth

I fidn't say it was unlimited. I said that it isn't really a limiting factor from what we have seen and played so far

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