My guess is that there is money in the game?

I don't recall ever hearing anything about currency in the game, but if there is I will say... get ready.

I am so hyped for this game. Everything I've thought about an MMO having, things i have begged for and gave big long detailed descriptions about on WoW forums, AoC is implementing. Unbelievable really..

But there is one thing that they have to have, or rather not have, currency. Gold buying, bot farming, i dont care what you say there's no way around it as long as there is a currency in the game. Just look at runescape, they go to incredible lengths to detect and ban people yet still,players have found ways around it.

Without currency, huge item stacking, and having a limited trade window the price of goods will be so unstable and obfuscated that there will at least never be a huge IRL market. It'll be too risky.

The monumental lengths groups will have to go through to get top tier gear will ensure it'll always have a high demand so I imagine even that wont become an IRL market.

As long as there isn't some global drop table like runes or orbs in D2 or PoE to create an artifical currency, the dynamic nature of farming(literally and not literally lol) in AoC, combo'd with it's pvp system, lack of a real currency, huge item stacking and a limited trade window will make the price of goods so unstable there will be very few people farming things to sell for IRL money.

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Noaani

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Man he(or the people who wrote the words, it doesnt matter) said things that sparked a movement so big, so revolutionary that it completely changed the entire world, arguably more drastically than anyone ever in history. So yea, I'd at least take what he said with maybe a little more grains of salt than some pirate from a fictional movie for the intended purpose of being entertained.

Yeah, but it wasn't change for the better.

There are a number of debates online by people much smarter than you or I that go in to this, I suggest paying attention to them, and then maybe you'll not bother bringing up fairy tales in to discussions again.

RWT is mostly made up of people from countries who's economy are so poor that they can farm on the game and make a living wage.

No it isn't.

It is mostly made up of two groups.

The first are people that have found exploits.

The second are people that earn more in game than they have a use for, and so sell their excess off.

I have a friend from Indonesia that's a gold farmer for WoW and he recently just quit because despite boosting people for several hours every day, due to just a few hiccups he couldn't afford to pay his bills with the money he was making.

My dude, if you do indeed have this friend, tell him to just get a real job.

Indonesia is one of the top 20 richest countries in the world. It is 7th in the world for GDP PPP. It also has a very high level of income parity. Trying to make a living in Indonesia from boosting people in WoW is kind of like trying to do the same thing almost anywhere in the EU.

Elder

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Forgive me if this sounds preachy but there's a reason Jesus Christ himself said "if you love God you hate money".

Not sure if preachy is the word, but totally ignorant perhaps may be. Why would I care what some fictional character has to say on anything?

You may as well be quoting Jack Sparrow here - in fact, that would be preferable.

As to the rest of your point - as much of a point as it is - you're just wrong.

Once again, if players can trade, RMT sites can trade. After all, most RMT sites are literally just made up of players.

As such, removing the notion of currency from the game literally does nothing at all to prevent RMT.

Man he(or the people who wrote the words, it doesnt matter) said things that sparked a movement so big, so revolutionary that it completely changed the entire world, arguably more drastically than anyone ever in history.

It's ironic that this statement also perfectly describes Adolf and his "movement". It doesn't matter how much clout a movement gets, it doesn't make their principles correct or righteous.

PherPhur

Elder wrote: »

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Forgive me if this sounds preachy but there's a reason Jesus Christ himself said "if you love God you hate money".

Not sure if preachy is the word, but totally ignorant perhaps may be. Why would I care what some fictional character has to say on anything?

You may as well be quoting Jack Sparrow here - in fact, that would be preferable.

As to the rest of your point - as much of a point as it is - you're just wrong.

Once again, if players can trade, RMT sites can trade. After all, most RMT sites are literally just made up of players.

As such, removing the notion of currency from the game literally does nothing at all to prevent RMT.

Man he(or the people who wrote the words, it doesnt matter) said things that sparked a movement so big, so revolutionary that it completely changed the entire world, arguably more drastically than anyone ever in history.

It's ironic that his statement also perfectly describes Adolf and his "movement". It doesn't matter how much clout a movement gets, it doesn't make their principles correct or righteous.

But yea, I get what you're saying. Too bad it doesn't apply to someone who basically just repeated statements about loving people, treating people as you'd like to be treated, loving God(which the old testament says "God is love", so love love), and positive stuff like that over and over in different ways.

Saying "if you love God you hate money" was hands down the most controversial thing he said.

Anyways yea moneys fucking stupid, bartering is a 100x more fun, it adds so much more to the community, gives so many more opportunities for fun and unique dialogue.

People please stop getting hung up cause i repeated like 6 words out of a book and focus on the issue at hand lmao.

Noaani

Elder wrote: »

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Forgive me if this sounds preachy but there's a reason Jesus Christ himself said "if you love God you hate money".

Not sure if preachy is the word, but totally ignorant perhaps may be. Why would I care what some fictional character has to say on anything?

You may as well be quoting Jack Sparrow here - in fact, that would be preferable.

As to the rest of your point - as much of a point as it is - you're just wrong.

Once again, if players can trade, RMT sites can trade. After all, most RMT sites are literally just made up of players.

As such, removing the notion of currency from the game literally does nothing at all to prevent RMT.

Man he(or the people who wrote the words, it doesnt matter) said things that sparked a movement so big, so revolutionary that it completely changed the entire world, arguably more drastically than anyone ever in history.

It's ironic that his statement also perfectly describes Adolf and his "movement". It doesn't matter how much clout a movement gets, it doesn't make their principles correct or righteous.

Quite honestly, this was my first instinct for a reply.

Noaani

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

(which the old testament says "God is love", so love love)

Oh cool, lets all live by the Old Testament.

I know I have a pile of throwing stones around here somewhere...

PherPhur

Noaani wrote: »

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Man he(or the people who wrote the words, it doesnt matter) said things that sparked a movement so big, so revolutionary that it completely changed the entire world, arguably more drastically than anyone ever in history. So yea, I'd at least take what he said with maybe a little more grains of salt than some pirate from a fictional movie for the intended purpose of being entertained.

Yeah, but it wasn't change for the better.

There are a number of debates online by people much smarter than you or I that go in to this, I suggest paying attention to them, and then maybe you'll not bother bringing up fairy tales in to discussions again.

RWT is mostly made up of people from countries who's economy are so poor that they can farm on the game and make a living wage.

No it isn't.

It is mostly made up of two groups.

The first are people that have found exploits.

The second are people that earn more in game than they have a use for, and so sell their excess off.

I have a friend from Indonesia that's a gold farmer for WoW and he recently just quit because despite boosting people for several hours every day, due to just a few hiccups he couldn't afford to pay his bills with the money he was making.

My dude, if you do indeed have this friend, tell him to just get a real job.

Indonesia is one of the top 20 richest countries in the world. It is 7th in the world for GDP PPP. It also has a very high level of income parity. Trying to make a living in Indonesia from boosting people in WoW is kind of like trying to do the same thing almost anywhere in the EU.

Ah jeez, that first statement... tell me you've never read something without telling me you've never read something.

He sacrificed himself for others, cleaned peoples feet, preached forgiveness, love, treating your neighbor kindly. Dude it's not up for debate xD Look, it's besides the point bro...

I want to talk about AoC or at least stay on this topic please for the love of God. I know everyone reading all this is cringing and malding to death lol.

I would say it's made up of 3 groups, the main being exploiters or botters, the next biggest is the gold farmers, then it's the people who just played the game, got rich and wanted to turn a profit.

I have ashamedly spent a lot of time involved in this process. Indonesia is made up of many islands with very different cultures and economies. That statement is regarding mostly Bali i'm sure, it's one of the most massive tourist spots on earth.

My buddy doesn't live too far from Jakharta(sp?), one of the major cities in Indonesia and the cost of living out there is even lower than Pakistan and India(i got 2 buddies out in those places as well).

Lets just say you can get a hotel out there, nicer than anything i've ever seen in the US, for 9 dollars a day.

Noaani

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

He sacrificed himself for others, cleaned peoples feet, preached forgiveness, love, treating your neighbor kindly. Dude it's not up for debate xD Look, it's besides the point bro...

So, literal billions of people have been killed in some false assumption that it is what he wanted - but it's all good, there are stories about him washing peoples feet.

That statement is regarding mostly Bali i'm sure, it's one of the most massive tourist spots on earth.

The comment that Indonesia is one of the 20 richest countries in the world is obviously a statement on the country, not on one region within it.

Jakarta is considered to be the 21st most important city in the world in terms of economic influence. Obviously you aren't going to make a living if you are trying to boost players in WoW.

The stupid thing is - you even said he couldn't, if we make the assumption that this friend of yours is real.

Pakistan and India aren't overly poor either. There is a lot of poverty in these countries, but the countries are not poor. There are better economic opportunities available for anyone that is capable of boosting people in WoW.

Now, if you had have said Mozambique, CAR or DRC, or perhaps Burundi, Somalia, Madagascar or Sierra Leone then you may have had a point. But you didn't.

MaiWaifu

I hope they don't go full Path of Exile.

Please have regular fantasy currency like copper, silver and gold as regular drops.

I don't want to need someone to mine the ore, process it and craft it into coins.

Elder

MaiWaifu wrote: »

I hope they don't go full Path of Exile.

Please have regular fantasy currency like copper, silver and gold as regular drops.

I don't want to need someone to mine the ore, process it and craft it into coins.

You don't get currency as a drop, you get certificates that you are required to transport and exchange for gold.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Hunting_certificates

Asgerr

OP:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY114Lsmx1M&ab_channel=KyoshiLonehearted

Mag7spy

ChipsAhoy007 wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

How do I become as strong as you master? One single image and the RWTraders have been crippled to but a mere glimmer of their former glory.

Start a new thread saying we should sell items in AOC as nfts and not gold.

Asgerr

Essentially we should all reject economy, adopt communism but also without economy, and return to monkey.

We shall barter our goods and have no coins to buy anything ever. Tavernkeeps will need to accept my lump of wolf meat as payment for the round of ales.

daveywavey

Asgerr wrote: »

That feels like the start to the next Elder Scrolls game.

"You're finally awake..."

Mag7spy

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