World/Global Chat System

Hi! I've recently watched a video about taverns and how you can meet people there and find party members, etc. I really liked the idea, but in every other game I've played you can find parties from global chat, so that would hurt the game socialization. I don't see any reason for this game to have a global chat since it will only be used for bot spammers, troll comments, and spam and not give any significant value... It's such a bold idea but what do you guys think? Is global chat necessary? Wouldn't it make the game much more realistic and socializing and prevent many issues?

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elucve

There can be nearby area chat, whispers, party and guild chat though

bloodprophet

Not supposed to be a global chat for the same reasons you stated.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/User_interface#In-game_chat

Blandmarrow

I don't think global chat adds anything of value, it just negates aspects of intended game design.
Areas should feel unique and local, just like how you expect Barrens chat to be a certain way in WoW.

elucve

thanks for the source bloodprophet! Lots of other good info there too, thank you! Really glad to finally see a game being developed with clever aspects and not follow the mmorpg trends

maouw

bloodprophet wrote: »

Not supposed to be a global chat for the same reasons you stated.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/User_interface#In-game_chat

hey bloodprophet,
which section says there's no global chat? I can't see it.

I know in alpha there was a global chat - have they made comment since?

Warth

a server wide global chat will be outsourced to discord anyway.
Ingame, it just doesn't serve a point.

bloodprophet

maouw wrote: »

bloodprophet wrote: »

Not supposed to be a global chat for the same reasons you stated.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/User_interface#In-game_chat

hey bloodprophet,
which section says there's no global chat? I can't see it.

I know in alpha there was a global chat - have they made comment since?

Was stated long time ago. They didn't want it to help fight gold sellers and to help reinforce the local community aspect of the game.
At work right now give me a bit I'll look for the video. Couple hours.
It was one of the early videos, maybe a Kickstarter video.

Mag7spy

Bringing this up, having playing d4 i can say having no world chat ruined the sense of community on the server and further made it feel more like a single player-ish game. Even with the fact it was online only with a open world with a good handful of other players around. Things felt disconnected and dead not in a good way.

People found themselves using other discord to communicate, and those very discord used the power to their own advantage since players had no other choice to try to connect with people.

Veeshan

i wouldnt mind seeing a city wide general chat so inside of a node wall for example

Toothpaste

Warth wrote: »

a server wide global chat will be outsourced to discord anyway.
Ingame, it just doesn't serve a point.

Having to rely on a 3rd party app to communicate with other players in a MMO is f-tier design. D4, a massive MMOARPG with over 6million players, has no global chat and that makes the world feels so empty.

Mag7spy

Toothpaste wrote: »

Warth wrote: »

a server wide global chat will be outsourced to discord anyway.
Ingame, it just doesn't serve a point.

Having to rely on a 3rd party app to communicate with other players in a MMO is f-tier design. D4, a massive MMOARPG with over 6million players, has no global chat and that makes the world feels so empty.

Yup it was one of the worst disccusion they made. A mmorpg would be more connected than that, but D4 did things the worse way possible. Just being able to talk to people does a lot for the world. Also do to no global chat people just care less about talking in game in general since they had no reason to ever pay attention to chat.

superhero6785

I think discussing whether Global chat is beneficial or not to gameplay is fine, but I wouldn't eliminate it because of spammers. I wouldn't even consider spam in the discussion. There's so many ways for spammers to spam, I wouldn't want to even let them influence what chat channels we get or don't get, they're gonna spam either way. Make the game good for the players, and deal with the spammers independently.

George_Black

elucve wrote: »

Hi! I've recently watched a video about taverns and how you can meet people there and find party members, etc. I really liked the idea, but in every other game I've played you can find parties from global chat, so that would hurt the game socialization. I don't see any reason for this game to have a global chat since it will only be used for bot spammers, troll comments, and spam and not give any significant value... It's such a bold idea but what do you guys think? Is global chat necessary? Wouldn't it make the game much more realistic and socializing and prevent many issues?

Global chat would make the game realistic?
Like talking with others from the one side of the map to the other?

Global chat would be useful for grouping?
As opposed to /area limits, in which people can talk to players in the vicinity, ABOUT THINHS IN THE VICINITY, without the spamming nonsense, that reaches stream chat speed?

The best mmos have:
/general (immediate surrounding of a player)
/pm (private message)
/guild
/party
/raid command
/trade (always found it pointless. Either you have it on at all times to find deals, but you are faced with the spam, or you turn it off and miss out)
/shout (the largest range chat that spans across an entire hunting zone or city. This is the only meaningful chat for LFG or server drama.

Global chats are for mmos that dont respect the social aspect of the game. Global chats are for tiny, empty, shallow, lobby mmos.

Whoever the hell said that we shouldnt have to rely on 3rd pt programs to communite in a game and that global chat is essential to playing an mmo, must be 12 years old.

daveywavey

George_Black wrote: »

The best mmos have:
/general (immediate surrounding of a player)
/pm (private message)
/guild
/party
/raid command
/trade (always found it pointless. Either you have it on at all times to find deals, but you are faced with the spam, or you turn it off and miss out)
/shout (the largest range chat that spans across an entire hunting zone or city. This is the only meaningful chat for LFG or server drama.

For Ashes, I'd expect an Alliance Chat too, and also a Family Chat.

Ayeveegaming1

taverns could be the lfg spot

Jhoren

Node chat should be fine, on top of the usual suspects like local, guild, alliance, group, and family I guess. Global chat with 10K players would be a nightmare. Node chat in a metro will be bad enough as it is.

CROW3

Barrens Chat is the clearest counter argument to a global chat.

Voidwalkers

In game global chat's probably not the best idea.

They're usually susceptible to things like:
- Spams. RMTs, "leveling" service, account sales, scams, whatever.
- ppl fighting over RL topics like politics & ideologies.
- general trollling.
... and hence need to be heavily moderated if one exists, not to mention many ppl ignore or mute it anyway for the above reasons.

IMO it's better to outsource it to Discord as others have mentioned.

Veeshan

If we got node citizen chat i dont think we will need global chat and it also counts as a pug defence chat for your node too potentially

Mag7spy

Voidwalkers wrote: »

In game global chat's probably not the best idea.

They're usually susceptible to things like:
- Spams. RMTs, "leveling" service, account sales, scams, whatever.
- ppl fighting over RL topics like politics & ideologies.
- general trollling.
... and hence need to be heavily moderated if one exists, not to mention many ppl ignore or mute it anyway for the above reasons.

IMO it's better to outsource it to Discord as others have mentioned.

Spam and RMt are not reasons to not have global chat, that is why you have GMs that can ban them. Which is money since there is a monthly sub per son banned.

So what people talk about RL stuff again not a reason to not have it, let people do what people do. Have blocking systems for people and have it done smartly so people have hear different areas of the map base on filters.

So what people troll, it really doesn't matter, that is pretty subjective as well, people can say anything is trolling. If you don't like someone block them, if you don't want to view global chat simply don't view it.

If people mute or ignore it, than it doesn't effect them, that should be an option and smart filters based on locations on the map.

You must have missed my post where i talk about discord, people abuse that and their power by controlling them lol. Forcing global discord servers for talking is not good, that is where drama actually can affect you and your experience if you are missing out on a tool others have.

Global chat connects people you have the good and the bad, but it helps make the world feel more alive. There is a reason why irl communication is so important and helped us progress. D4 as an example without any chat does not make the experience feel good, it hugely degrades any sense of community and world within the game. Everyone is forced to use random discords, and those discords abuse their powers, and in a game that will have drama that becomes much worse in relation to PvP.

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