In a world based on Chi (Soul) why is there no...

Monk Class or at least a subclass?!

Was it a design decision to leave the monk out or just didn't occur to anyone? Is it in the chart below by some other name?

I know I would love to play that style in this type of world.

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CROW3

It's Steven's koan to help you lose your attachment to being a monk.

TheMarten

@CROW3 Riddle me this...

I think I found my answer. Leaves me kind of sad though. Thanks for the witty reply though.

Talents wrote: »

The archetypes haven't been changed since the game was first announced. What apparently happened was originally there were 3 more archetypes planned, but Steven scrapped the idea when he realised how much of a gargantuan task it would be to implement 3 more archetypes into the Ashes class system (seeing as how each new archetype that is added is basically multiplicative in regards to augments and stuff).

They've never revealed what the 3 archetypes that were scrapped were.

CROW3

You bet. Here's a related thread if it's of any interest...

https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/53150/expansion-classes-yay-or-nay/p1

TheMarten

@CROW3 That was very helpful. Thank you!

daveywavey

TheMarten wrote: »

In a world based on Chi (Soul), why is there no Monk Class or at least a subclass?!

"A monk (/mʌŋk/, from Greek: μοναχός, monachos, "single, solitary" via Latin monachus)[1][2] is a person who practices religious asceticism by monastic living, either alone or with any number of other monks.[3] A monk may be a person who decides to dedicate their life to serving other people and serving God, or to be an ascetic who voluntarily chooses to leave mainstream society and live their life in prayer and contemplation. The concept is ancient and can be seen in many religions and in philosophy."

Sitting by yourself in a small room and contemplating theology probably isn't a great gaming experience. I mean, there may be some niche cases of people who'd enjoy it, but in a game like Intrepid are making, it probably isn't the best decision to include it.

Just to clarify for you: An actual Monk isn't someone that goes around fighting everyone they see, and bashing them in the face with a longstaff.

TheMarten wrote: »

Was it a design decision to leave the monk out or just didn't occur to anyone? Is it in the chart below by some other name?

I know I would love to play that style in this type of world.

If you're looking for a playstyle with a spiritual theme to it, have you considered looking at the Cleric line of classes?

TheMarten

@daveywavey

I know what a monk is IRL

just like I know what a mage is IRL... oh wait. Since a mage is not real, does that mean we should not be playing them, or do we play them because they are not real? /rhetorical question

daveywavey wrote: »

If you're looking for a playstyle with a spiritual theme to it, have you considered looking at the Cleric line of classes?

Seriously though, yes when playing a game that has them, cleric is my primary character. If they also have the monk, that is my secondary, because after keeping a group alive in a tough fight I get the urge to go puch something in the face

JustVine

What does a monk's kit look like to you? The answer might be that there is a monk just with a different label depending on your answer.

But superficially obviously there is no monk. Nor do I think it's really necessary when Fighter can be built fairly easily to incorporate what that class plays like in other mmos. I for one will be very disappointed if Fighter cannot achieve this as I too would like to play monk on my alt if smn is good or as my main if smn is bad.

CROW3

JustVine wrote: »

What does a monk's kit look like to you?

One-handed Clap
Range: Melee (3-5 yards)
Targeting: Area of Effect
Description: A monk presents a conundrum to all targets around her, exploding their minds for 1d1000 dmg.

JustVine

CROW3 wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

What does a monk's kit look like to you?

One-handed Clap
Range: Melee (3-5 yards)
Targeting: Area of Effect
Description: A monk presents a conundrum to all targets around her, exploding their minds for 1d1000 dmg.

Sir this is an open wendy's PvP mmo

CROW3

JustVine wrote: »

Sir this is an open wendy's PvP mmo

One must think outside the bun, @JustVine.

TheClimbTo1

TheMarten wrote: »

@daveywavey

I know what a monk is IRL just like I know what a mage is IRL... oh wait. Since a mage is not real, does that mean we should not be playing them, or do we play them because they are not real? /rhetorical question

daveywavey wrote: »

If you're looking for a playstyle with a spiritual theme to it, have you considered looking at the Cleric line of classes?

Seriously though, yes when playing a game that has them, cleric is my primary character. If they also have the monk, that is my secondary, because after keeping a group alive in a tough fight I get the urge to go puch something in the face

Save Lives, Punch Faces?

Sir, that's a Paladin.

daveywavey

JustVine wrote: »

What does a monk's kit look like to you? The answer might be that there is a monk just with a different label depending on your answer.

But superficially obviously there is no monk. Nor do I think it's really necessary when Fighter can be built fairly easily to incorporate what that class plays like in other mmos. I for one will be very disappointed if Fighter cannot achieve this as I too would like to play monk on my alt if smn is good or as my main if smn is bad.

Exactly! Just cos it's not called a "Monk", doesn't mean it's not there, @TheMarten

Don't get too hung up on the name, go for the playstyle. Your Paladin/Templar/Protector/etc can be RP'ed as a Monk if needed.

TheMarten

Thanks all for the replies. In time I guess I will have a chance to explore the classes and try to make something that fills my needs.

The Devs have asked for questions for the live stream, and the one about having items in the game that will allow one to make a melee that feels like a monk currently has the most up votes, so I hope Steve and the other Devs will take the time to come up with a reply. I can only hope that reply is something in the realm of, "signs point to yes" and not "outlook not so good, please shake me later ©."

Dolyem

If I see a panda tulnar RPing as a monk I will gank that person no less than 5 times a day.

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