Using Skills by Key Combination (Hotbars without SKILLS)

I think it would be quite interesting if instead of using hotbars to use skills we had to press some combination of keys. For example, some action keys that would express some skill by themselves, but in combination with, for example, a direction key or a jump key or a dash ability (which would be on a separate key, for example SHIFT or CTRL) would make their combination or another different skill. And hotbars would be used for consumables or other stuff. I don't want to remove them.
Or there can be some option to keybind hotbars with some key combination at least.

I think it's a really cool combat style where the player feels more the movements and attacks of his character. And I would like to see something like this.
But you decide, what you think about this concept of combat.

And also, English is my secondary language, so please excuse any minor mistakes in translation or grammar.
Thanks.

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Azherae

LenweCZ wrote: »

I think it would be quite interesting if instead of using hotbars to use skills we had to press some combination of keys. For example, some action keys that would express some skill by themselves, but in combination with, for example, a direction key or a jump key or a dash ability (which would be on a separate key, for example SHIFT or CTRL) would make their combination or another different skill. And hotbars would be used for consumables or other stuff.

I think it's a really cool combat style where the player feels more the movements and attacks of his character. And I would like to see something like this.
But you decide, what you think about this concept of combat.

And also, English is my secondary language, so please excuse any minor mistakes in translation or grammar.
Thanks.

You can probably set the keybinds to do this.

For controller users this is already the main way, given their limitations.

Mag7spy

We 100% need this, BDO did a great job at it. even shift mouse click and shift right click. Makes combat feel much better overall. Players definitely need full control over this with multiple button inputs.

George_Black

I dont like it. It's just like bdos system.

MrPockets

I think this is a good optional control scheme for action combat. Dungeon Fighter Online uses this concept, since it is based on 2d arcade beat 'em ups. Players can either use manual inputs (ie: forward, down, attack), or they can just assign that skill to a hotkey.

I see no harm in allowing players to use these types of controls.

arsnn

Maybe the fighter or certain augments could provide that.
You could also turn a ranger with a fighter augment into something like this for example

Savic Prosperity

i think having the option to have your hotkeys this way would be cool
but i know you mean as an actual input system; the combat has to be specifically designed around it for the button combos to feel meaningful
warframe did a combo system with their melee weapons but ended up simplifying it in the end since it was not worth the extra effort to execute the combo (during combat) in that game since it was designed with gun combat as the focus

Mag7spy

George_Black wrote: »

I dont like it. It's just like bdos system.

BDO system is amazing for key commands. That doesn't mean everyone needs to be using the same ones its simply having the option to set multiple keys for your skills. No one plays 1-0 for keys anyway or for most people.

It makes your key command for skills much faster which is needed especially for action combat. Every mmorpg lets you do this, just some are rough around the edges and some keys don't work well together like using W+F

Dummo

I did like BDO's combat.

Mag7spy

Dummo wrote: »

I did like BDO's combat.

I had a issues with a lot of it, though there was a lot of good with it as well.

Good - Fluidity between attacks and movement, key bindings, impact of skills which also felt unique, mobility

Bad - high learning curve and feels clunky without understanding the class, gameplay around super armour and Iframe spam, Hard i frame spam made it like fighting the wind, broken balance, giant aoes everywhere, skill cds extremely short, bait grab the entire fight

Not to get too into BDO but i always have to recognize the good and bad of it.

Dummo

There were some bad things to it, I agree.

George_Black

Mag7spy wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

I dont like it. It's just like bdos system.

BDO system is amazing for key commands. That doesn't mean everyone needs to be using the same ones its simply having the option to set multiple keys for your skills. No one plays 1-0 for keys anyway or for most people.

It makes your key command for skills much faster which is needed especially for action combat. Every mmorpg lets you do this, just some are rough around the edges and some keys don't work well together like using W+F

I am not using 1-0. I tend to use keys close to WSAD and some extras on my mouse.
Bdo doesnt have too many skills compared to other mmos with individual skill cooldown, especially in PvP. You only use a few in BDOs pvp.
Combination keys work well just because of the above factfact.

They can also be found in singleplayer games, which also dont have ability hotbars most of the time.
Combination keys are also found in fighting games. And let's be honest.... BDOs combat feels more like Tekken than an mmorpg.

I dont like them for the above reasons and you can bet that they wont be in AoC.

Mag7spy

George_Black wrote: »

Mag7spy wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

I dont like it. It's just like bdos system.

BDO system is amazing for key commands. That doesn't mean everyone needs to be using the same ones its simply having the option to set multiple keys for your skills. No one plays 1-0 for keys anyway or for most people.

It makes your key command for skills much faster which is needed especially for action combat. Every mmorpg lets you do this, just some are rough around the edges and some keys don't work well together like using W+F

I am not using 1-0. I tend to use keys close to WSAD and some extras on my mouse.
Bdo doesnt have too many skills compared to other mmos with individual skill cooldown, especially in PvP. You only use a few in BDOs pvp.
Combination keys work well just because of the above factfact.

They can also be found in singleplayer games, which also dont have ability hotbars most of the time.
Combination keys are also found in fighting games. And let's be honest.... BDOs combat feels more like Tekken than an mmorpg.

I dont like them for the above reasons and you can bet that they wont be in AoC.

So you are against allowing people setting shit+W, Shift+F Shift +left button as keys? If you are against full customization I'd have to ask why, even if it isn't your preference that would be effective hugely limiting what keys people can use based on what their own preference is.

What keys do you use if you don't use 1-0?

George_Black

Im not against customization. For all I care you can go ahead and set a lv1 skill to Shft+W+%+Rctrl.
Im just saying combat shouldnt be made with key combos as a philosophy.

Mag7spy

George_Black wrote: »

Im not against customization. For all I care you can go ahead and set a lv1 skill to Shft+W+%+Rctrl.
Im just saying combat shouldnt be made with key combos as a philosophy.

Ahh ya that is fine, default should be what default is normally being the 1-0. I just want adjusted key buttons as in some mmorpgs they don't do dual inputs very well with Shift+ other keys. Same way people use mmorpg mouses with multiple buttons which those of course should work with keybinds as well.

This stuff is pretty easy to do in unreal engine 5 anyway.

Veeshan

Wont happen makes the skill ceiling to high for standard players so you'll loose alot of population in that regards especialy in a game where there PvP to high of a skill ceiling tends to cause a death of games when it comes to pvp games

Mag7spy

Veeshan wrote: »

Wont happen makes the skill ceiling to high for standard players so you'll loose alot of population in that regards especialy in a game where there PvP to high of a skill ceiling tends to cause a death of games when it comes to pvp games

What makes the skill ceiling to high where you can customize your buttons o.O. Every mmorpg has that...Some just do it better than others with the amount of commands you can set with dual buttons.

George_Black

Well let's get back on topic ye?
Remove hotbars for key combinations?
No thanks. This isnt a singleplayer game where you just mash buttons. Mmos need hotbars.

The topic isnt about customization.

Ixerxe

George_Black wrote: »

Well let's get back on topic ye?
Remove hotbars for key combinations?
No thanks. This isnt a singleplayer game where you just mash buttons. Mmos need hotbars.

The topic isnt about customization.

I changed it a little to avoid some misunderstandings.

PherPhur

LenweCZ wrote: »

I think it would be quite interesting if instead of using hotbars to use skills we had to press some combination of keys. For example, some action keys that would express some skill by themselves, but in combination with, for example, a direction key or a jump key or a dash ability (which would be on a separate key, for example SHIFT or CTRL) would make their combination or another different skill. And hotbars would be used for consumables or other stuff. I don't want to remove them.
Or there can be some option to keybind hotbars with some key combination at least.

I think it's a really cool combat style where the player feels more the movements and attacks of his character. And I would like to see something like this.
But you decide, what you think about this concept of combat.

And also, English is my secondary language, so please excuse any minor mistakes in translation or grammar.
Thanks.

Maybe for a dash ability. Idk, there might be some other things I'm not thinking about.

I will say though that the bard... ooooo so much potential for the bard using a system like this. Like the songs you play in orcarina of time or windwaker. Or attacks that are done in a certain cadence(i think this is the right word, idk music), a timing that makes the different skills musical notes hit just right. Having meta skills which are just longer or more complex songs comprised of utilizing those basic musical note skills.

So much that can be done on the bard that imo it would really put to shame anything I can imagine being done for the other classes.

Warth

George_Black wrote: »

Well let's get back on topic ye?
Remove hotbars for key combinations?
No thanks. This isnt a singleplayer game where you just mash buttons. Mmos need hotbars.

The topic isnt about customization.

imo you are right here.

If people want to use hotkey combinations (which may be freely bound) to cast spells, then they should be able to that. However, they shouldnt take away Hotbars for those that want to use them.

Removing the option to use hotbars is not a good idea.
Restricting the option of using key combination isnt helpful either.

Give the option to do either and let the player decide on how they want to play. Hell, if they want to wire up a couple of bananas and input their skills through them, then let them play on bananas.

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