Feedback: We love the open sea PvP change - now, what about open PvP zones for World Bosses?

High risk, high reward, the open sea change was one of the best possible changes Intrepid made, now, we know that on the open seas we will have unique NPCs and rewards, but the best gear and materials that are legendary tier only drop from legendary world bosses,

because of that, I would love to see the area around the legendary world bosses being open pvp zones as well, so people can't abuse the corruption system and rely on that to try to do the legendary world bosses without the risk of being killed by other Guilds

the corruption system is amazing but it should be used only for it's intended purpose: deter ganking and PKing in the open world where there is nothing to gain, I feel like Legendary World bosses fall under the same ruleset as the open seas, and because of that I would love to see this change.

I feel like similar to the open seas, this would help to protect the PvErs in the game, by alleviating the need for gankers to PK random people, since now they have the oceans and they would also have the open world bosses areas to PK, and this would make the content even more challenging, and reducing the number of people that have access to Legendary gear, making it actually Legendary and not the "endgame" set that every guild can obtain.

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George_Black

That would be stupid.
You enable people to attack a group of raiders without any corruption. Just a total wiped out and theft of the raid.

In the sea you have to spend a shit ton of resources for a battleship. That is the drawback and the reason to hesitate about the whole endevaour. What will make people think twice about backstabbing a raiding group and take their rb?

What a terrible idea...

George_Black

So much talk about "abusing the corruption system" and "it's not fair to the PKers".
I think some people need to go play a survival game or some crap like ESOs cyrodiil. Mmos are not for you.

Liniker

George_Black wrote: »

That would be stupid.
In the sea you have to spend a shit ton of resources for a battleship. That is the drawback and the reason to hesitate about the whole endevaour. What will make people think twice about backstabbing a raiding group and take their rb?

What a terrible idea...

@George_Black where the fuck you getting your info from? who told you people would hesitate to fight on the open seas because of having to spend resources?

what a stupid comment...

Liniker

George_Black wrote: »

So much talk about "abusing the corruption system" and "it's not fair to the PKers".
I think some people need to go play a survival game or some crap like ESOs cyrodiil. Mmos are not for you.

Thanks for telling me that! I've been playing MMORPGs for almost 20 years, but now because of some random dude called George Black, I realized MMOs are not for me! thx m8

Noaani

It has long been my expectation that this will eventually happen.

The point of battlegrounds is to encourage more people to take part in the conflict, and world bosses are all about conflict.

Strevi

Liniker wrote: »

High risk, high reward, the open sea change was one of the best possible changes Intrepid made, now, we know that on the open seas we will have unique NPCs and rewards, but the best gear and materials that are legendary tier only drop from legendary world bosses,

I agree with legendary materials to drop from legendary world bosses but not with legendary gear.
Let people who are crafters to have their place in the game too.

At least let the gear be rare and materials more frequent.
As a crafter I don't care who kills the boss really.

Liniker

Strevi wrote: »

I agree with legendary materials to drop from legendary world bosses but not with legendary gear.
Let people who are crafters to have their place in the game too.

At least let the gear be rare and materials more frequent.
As a crafter I don't care who kills the boss really.

but you need to remember that crafters don't gather the legendary mats, that is the job of master gatherers, crafters use the mats after they get gathered and processed

Strevi

Liniker wrote: »

Strevi wrote: »

I agree with legendary materials to drop from legendary world bosses but not with legendary gear.
Let people who are crafters to have their place in the game too.

At least let the gear be rare and materials more frequent.
As a crafter I don't care who kills the boss really.

but you need to remember that crafters don't gather the legendary mats, that is the job of master gatherers, crafters use the mats after they get gathered and processed

That's fine. Then master gatherers will be in the middle of the action too.
I thought the unprocessed things are called resources and after are processed are called materials.

Liniker wrote: »

the corruption system is amazing but it should be used only for it's intended purpose: deter ganking and PKing in the open world where there is nothing to gain,

I don't know how anyone can tell if there is something to gain or not.
If I run between nodes as a high skilled crafter, they cannot tell if I am loaded with Tier 4 materials or not, right? They have to attack me and see what drops. That is part of the game but I will not take often the risk to do that run, if I can pay others to do the job for me.

Garrtok

George_Black wrote: »

So much talk about "abusing the corruption system" and "it's not fair to the PKers".
I think some people need to go play a survival game or some crap like ESOs cyrodiil. Mmos are not for you.

So seems like you're constantly flaming and insulting people in this forum. Maybe forums and mmos are not for you? Always thought you need at least minimum social skills for that

Dygz

Open Seas are high PvP - not high risk.
Open Seas are reduced risk in order to encourage a higher occurrence of PvP.

Biccus

Dygz wrote: »

Open Seas are high PvP - not high risk.
Open Seas are reduced risk in order to encourage a higher occurrence of PvP.

Would you not having the protection of the corruption system increase your risk of getting killed and losing your gatherables and ship?

Strevi

Dygz wrote: »

Open Seas are high PvP - not high risk.
Open Seas are reduced risk in order to encourage a higher occurrence of PvP.

Higher occurrence of PvP means higher resource sink from the game.
If higher resource sink is needed, could also be random storms or random powerful bosses which will be strong enough to guarantee death.

Voxtrium

This is a logical change because OW bosses are designed to bring players together to compete for the loot the boss will drop, if anyone not directly fighting the boss can remain a non combatant than either the raiding guild must go corrupt to defend their raid or they simply will be unable to defend the raid.

Morg7x7

How is anybody going to down a world boss when the healers cant stay alive for more than 2 seconds? It'll be a tit-for-tat gankfest that benefits nobody except griefers.

The danger should come from the boss itself and the challenge should come from winning the dps race against other partys.

hleV

Garrtok wrote: »

George_Black wrote: »

So much talk about "abusing the corruption system" and "it's not fair to the PKers".
I think some people need to go play a survival game or some crap like ESOs cyrodiil. Mmos are not for you.

So seems like you're constantly flaming and insulting people in this forum. Maybe forums and mmos are not for you? Always thought you need at least minimum social skills for that

There are a few very vocal carebears like that on the forums. Not gonna mention any names, but it should be obvious if you just read a few threads, and if you simply ignore their bullshit, you can actually have a proper discussion with the rest of the participants.

Morg7x7 wrote: »

The danger should come from the boss itself and the challenge should come from winning the dps race against other partys.

No, the danger should come from both PvE and PvP. PvX game, remember? You can't just push the PvP part away whenever you feel like it.

ClintHardwood

George_Black wrote: »

So much talk about "abusing the corruption system" and "it's not fair to the PKers".
I think some people need to go play a survival game or some crap like ESOs cyrodiil. Mmos are not for you.

Imagine gatekeeping an internet fantasy game.

Decidendi

Liniker wrote: »

High risk, high reward, the open sea change was one of the best possible changes Intrepid made, now, we know that on the open seas we will have unique NPCs and rewards, but the best gear and materials that are legendary tier only drop from legendary world bosses,

because of that, I would love to see the area around the legendary world bosses being open pvp zones as well, so people can't abuse the corruption system and rely on that to try to do the legendary world bosses without the risk of being killed by other Guilds

the corruption system is amazing but it should be used only for it's intended purpose: deter ganking and PKing in the open world where there is nothing to gain, I feel like Legendary World bosses fall under the same ruleset as the open seas, and because of that I would love to see this change.

I feel like similar to the open seas, this would help to protect the PvErs in the game, by alleviating the need for gankers to PK random people, since now they have the oceans and they would also have the open world bosses areas to PK, and this would make the content even more challenging, and reducing the number of people that have access to Legendary gear, making it actually Legendary and not the "endgame" set that every guild can obtain.

PvP around big bosses will happen naturally. Either through guild war system, or people will naturally flag in order to take-out opponents and kill the boss.

ClintHardwood

Morg7x7 wrote: »

How is anybody going to down a world boss when the healers cant stay alive for more than 2 seconds? It'll be a tit-for-tat gankfest that benefits nobody except griefers.

The danger should come from the boss itself and the challenge should come from winning the dps race against other partys.

Albion Online handles this just fine. You can be in the middle of a world boss fight only to be ganked by a team three times your's size. This ensures that the boss remains challenging and loot rewarding even when all of its mechanics are discovered and meta'd to death. It's also where skill comes in. You have no idea how many times gankers dove my PvE group only for us to wipe them and take all their loot, making essentially 4x the money from our trip.

Disabling PvP in a PvX game is something I can't understand. There are plenty of games with mind-numbing raids in them already, where there is zero risk. Without the randomness element of PKers, keeping you on the edge of your seat, ready to fight to the death, all PvE content inevitably becomes a slog. The real fun comes in once you get over your 'gear fear', or in AoC's case, resource fear. Die. Lose your stuff. Murder other people. Take their stuff. Get better at the game. Now that's a gameplay loop.

Liniker

Dygz wrote: »

Open Seas are high PvP - not high risk.
Open Seas are reduced risk in order to encourage a higher occurrence of PvP.

Sorry @Dygz .. but Steven is the one making the game, and he says it's high risk, plus, I think he knows the game he is making better and has more experience in game design than you, so you can stop saying that in every single post you can find because you are wrong.

It is high risk and theres nothing to say about it. Open PvP with no corruption means higher PVP occurrence which translates to higher chances of dying which translates to More Risk due to the death penalties being. Even if your (not confirmed) scenario with 50% of the penalties is real, the risk is still higher

Now, can you find me a quote where it says we will take Reduced penalties on the open sea?

you can't, because that's just your assumption. Steven only said we would be flagged for PvP, and that does not mean everyone will be combatant or purple, we were also flagged for PvP during castle sieges in A1 and that had nothing to do with the green-purple-red flagging system, the rule set can be different, we don't know. Even with you creating scenarios and assumptions to validate your dislike for the change, you are still incorrect.

Liniker

Voxtrium wrote: »

This is a logical change because OW bosses are designed to bring players together to compete for the loot the boss will drop, if anyone not directly fighting the boss can remain a non combatant than either the raiding guild must go corrupt to defend their raid or they simply will be unable to defend the raid.

agree!

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