Way to ruin the game

Way to lump yourself in with all of the other devs that are ruining gaming with cash shops. I'm super tired of cash shops in these games. Pay real world money for cosmetic or pay to win items. I know that your game doesn't have pay to win stuff, but still. When I play an MMO or ARPG, I expect to be able to have the ability and opportunity to find unique items on my own, without having to pay money to buy them. That is the fun and draw of games like this, DISCOVERY and LOOT. That magic is gone with these stupid and greedy cash shops.

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Azherae

Oreyeon wrote: »

When I play an MMO or ARPG, I expect to be able to have the ability and opportunity to find unique items on my own, without having to pay money to buy them. That is the fun and draw of games like this, DISCOVERY and LOOT.

You will have this ability.

Taleof2Cities

Don’t forget the forums search feature, @Oreyeon … there are tons of threads on this topic already.

If Intrepid doesn’t fund itself through a cash shop how do propose they stay in business?

Remember, there is no box cost for Ashes of Creation.

Oreyeon

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Don’t forget the forums search feature, @Oreyeon … there are tons of threads on this topic already.

If Intrepid doesn’t fund itself through a cash shop how do propose they stay in business?

Remember, there is no box cost for Ashes of Creation.

They can fund themselves via expansions and the monthly subscription that they are going to charge.

Caww

it's just a little cos-play for the paper-doll crowd and won't ruin your own day at all...

WHIT3ROS3

How do people expect games like these to be viable? Where do people think money for something like this comes from? There needs to be income generated somewhere. Let's say a server has 8000 players. At $15 per month, per player that's only $120,000 per month per server.

I don't know how many servers AoC hopes to have but I think it is entirely reasonable to put world-building cosmetic assets up for Sale which allows for people to contribute to the development of the project and for additional income to be generated. As long as the lion's share of development is put into creating plenty of cool in-game achievable items then I see it as a perfectly acceptable way to generate some money.

Having a "Cosmetic package" each month with a sub-cost is entirely reasonable. (You don't have to buy them you know) I do think that Intrepid would do themselves a big favor if each Dev update when they show the Cosmetic pack items, they also showed an in-game achievable set.

Abarat

Oreyeon wrote: »

Way to lump yourself in with all of the other devs that are ruining gaming with cash shops. I'm super tired of cash shops in these games. Pay real world money for cosmetic or pay to win items. I know that your game doesn't have pay to win stuff, but still. When I play an MMO or ARPG, I expect to be able to have the ability and opportunity to find unique items on my own, without having to pay money to buy them. That is the fun and draw of games like this, DISCOVERY and LOOT. That magic is gone with these stupid and greedy cash shops.

You forgot to tell us that you will NEVER play the game. you should consider editing your post, so you can be in the ever growing group who feels the need to come here and tell us they will not be playing.

Sathrago

Is it a downer that they have a cosmetic shop? I mean yeah, however that's all it is. Cosmetic. They also promise that these cosmetics are being used for world building which means that they are not just dead cash cow assets designed to purely make money. They are used properly in the game and time isnt being wasted when a new set of these cosmetics comes out.

Taleof2Cities

Oreyeon wrote: »

They can fund themselves via expansions and the monthly subscription that they are going to charge.

That's not a good answer, @Oreyeon ... I don't see a career for you on the revenue teams of any flagship MMO.

The subscription cost of $15 USD would probably double or more if you exclude the cash shop. There are already forum threads asking for a sub discount based on their country of residence or student status.

DLC/expansions won't cost more than the normal subscription (according to the Wiki). So, you can see where your idea is heading.

Remember that Intrepid is planning in-game cosmetics that are the same or better than the cash shop.

Make sure you check out the forums search feature ... before posting a new thread on a topic that is very much a dead horse.

Taaku

I do agree, if there is going to be a Sub fee monthly then there shouldn't be any cash shop / cosmetic shop.
What ends up happening is a lot of devs / artists are then needed to pump out "premium" shop items regularly. I would prefer the studio put the money paying for all that dev work to go towards more "Content" devs. So the game / world can be enhanced more, at regular intervals.
Paying a Sub fee should be enough cash for everything the game needs, and more if you have an actual good game.
Letting the content suffer for a boost to profit is not good for any game in the long term... *cough cough* WoW *cough cough*.... sorry something stuck in my throat.

rwflako

what are you even talking about ofc you will have the chance to get unique items and hunt down relics Cosmetic shop has nothing to do with your game play looks like your just crying to cry at this point tbh go play BDO

SongRune

Taaku wrote: »

I do agree, if there is going to be a Sub fee monthly then there shouldn't be any cash shop / cosmetic shop.
What ends up happening is a lot of devs / artists are then needed to pump out "premium" shop items regularly. I would prefer the studio put the money paying for all that dev work to go towards more "Content" devs. So the game / world can be enhanced more, at regular intervals.
Paying a Sub fee should be enough cash for everything the game needs, and more if you have an actual good game.
Letting the content suffer for a boost to profit is not good for any game in the long term... *cough cough* WoW *cough cough*.... sorry something stuck in my throat.

I mean, making one of these monthly cosmetic packs we have been seeing probably takes one or two artists a week at most, and almost certainly pays those artists salaries (or more) for the whole month. I think, overall, that's a net positive for "content development budget".

Aerlana

I hate cash shop in subscription MMORPG, and i am always fast to remember that this pandora's box was opened by... blizzard during WOTLK, (and not even a activision decision ! )
FFXIV makes me hate it even more, on wow this cash shop grew (and grow) slowly, for FFXIV it is every 2 week a new thing or more.

For ashes of creation i have also a problem with this monthly addition of things while the game is still a dream.
My problem is not "i don't have money to all those" ... i totally fall for it on BDO, where my Dark Knight has 80% of the outfits (and probably all weapons/awakening weapons)

Now, lets get real...
15 or 20 years ago, the sub was 15 bucks or close (vary from games to other) and today... 15 bucks...
salary did stagnate ? sure servers probably are cheaper to maintain now than before, but all employees, be it developers or people working on servers cost more now than 10, 15 or 20 years ago... So price stagnate, cost rises... Need to explain more ?
Not even need to debate about benefits to point that there is a need to get more income...

I personally would totally prefer a 20 bucks sub, and would be ok to go up to 25... i prefer a game with a subscription, and "all same for everyone" as it was in "the good old days"... But you, the op, could you be ok for such prices to play ?

Liniker

ok.. bye, I guess

Taaku

Aerlana wrote: »

I personally would totally prefer a 20 bucks sub, and would be ok to go up to 25... i prefer a game with a subscription, and "all same for everyone" as it was in "the good old days"... But you, the op, could you be ok for such prices to play ?

I personally would not be happy about a $20 - $25 sub fee since I am actually quite poor and gaming is one of my only get aways... That said at this point in gaming, I would honestly prefer an ACTUAL GOOD MMO with no cash shop, all content in game. And I would just work on figuring out funds for the monthly sub. Too much BS with cash shops.

Hasil

Back in the day MMOs could support themselves solely with monthly subs. I think that the costs of doing business, though, have out-paced the willingness of consumers to pay monthly subs. I'm just guessing, but I would bet that to be solely funded by monthly subs on an ongoing basis, AOC would need to charge double or triple what it intends to charge.

Are people going to pay $30/month for an MMO subscription when games are pushing the whole industry toward free-to-play games with their actions? Probably not. So cash shop for cosmetics + monthly sub it is

EDIT: All that having been said, I have been concerned at times about the sheer volume of FOMO pre-launch cosmetics for a game that is supposedly fully funded.

Talents

Oreyeon wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Don’t forget the forums search feature, @Oreyeon … there are tons of threads on this topic already.

If Intrepid doesn’t fund itself through a cash shop how do propose they stay in business?

Remember, there is no box cost for Ashes of Creation.

They can fund themselves via expansions and the monthly subscription that they are going to charge.

They're not charging money for expansions, the expansions come "free" with the sub cost.

BaSkA_9x2

4 hour old forum account just discovered Ashes has a Cash Shop and, therefore, figured out the game is ruined.

Move along folks, next shitpost.

Deadfool

@BaSkA13 some people just don't or can't understand the benefits of a ingame shop of this nature.

BaSkA_9x2

Deadfool wrote: »

@BaSkA13 some people just don't or can't understand the benefits of a ingame shop of this nature.

Don't get me wrong, I wish we could go back in time where you only had to pay for subscriptions and there was no Cash Shop. But Ashes' model is better than any other game out there today, afaik.

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