Is visual progression important?

I've seen some of the early founder cosmetics, they are really sick. I know Intrepid says the best skins will be earned in game, but that isn't necessarily up to them.

Vanity is subjective, and some of those founder skins looked really good. Imagine a world where max level players are walking around in cash shop armor, with cash shop weapons, with cash shop mounts, and cash shop pets, and cash shop houses, with cash shop freeholds, with cash shop titles.

I just don't want to see cool looking players with legendary armor and weapons being outshined by the low level players in comparably cool looking costumes.

What would really really suck is if I found a cash shop costume that I liked more than my own gear that I worked really hard for.

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Ludullu

As you said, this is a subjective problem. What looks good to you might look like trash to others. Intrepid chose to have a sub+cosmetics monetization method and designed the game around that, so it'd be too late to change that at this point. Oh, and they'd have to delete all the previous cosmetics too, which would just lead to a class action lawsuit against them.

worddog2

NiKr wrote: »

As you said, this is a subjective problem. What looks good to you might look like trash to others. Intrepid chose to have a sub+cosmetics monetization method and designed the game around that, so it'd be too late to change that at this point. Oh, and they'd have to delete all the previous cosmetics too, which would just lead to a class action lawsuit against them.

They'd have to lie at the very minimum. The only real way they could take a 180 is by putting founder skins into the game which they said they wouldn't. And I'm not saying they should.

I'm more wondering if they'll put a decent amount of effort into balancing it. Like if there is a single cosmetic in the cash shop that is more appealing than any legendary gear.

Like I know even myself I will just walk around in cash shop stuff if I like how it looks more than my own gear. I'd just be sad to see everyone doing that to the point I can't even tell what a legendary item looks like compared to a cash shop item.

Ludullu

worddog wrote: »

I'm more wondering if they'll put a decent amount of effort into balancing it. Like if there is a single cosmetic in the cash shop that is more appealing than any legendary gear.

Again though, how exactly would they control that in any way? They can't really control what people like. They claim that in-game stuff will look as good as shop stuff, if not better, but ultimately the players will decide what they like more.

worddog2

NiKr wrote: »

worddog wrote: »

I'm more wondering if they'll put a decent amount of effort into balancing it. Like if there is a single cosmetic in the cash shop that is more appealing than any legendary gear.

Again though, how exactly would they control that in any way? They can't really control what people like. They claim that in-game stuff will look as good as shop stuff, if not better, but ultimately the players will decide what they like more.

Well they said the really good stuff like legendaries that you earn in game WILL look better, not even just on par. And yeah exactly what you said, that is a real challenge.

I'm okay with there not being visual progression as long as the game is fun but just food for thought you know.

Ludullu

worddog wrote: »

I'm okay with there not being visual progression as long as the game is fun but just food for thought you know.

Lore-wise there doesn't supposed to be any visual progression because we're preestablished people who're just moving into a new location. We're not just noname peasants getting born here.

Players could always just shit on anyone who has a store-bought cosmetic instead of an earned one. It's toxic as hell and wouldn't really change anything, but it might deter some people from wearing them.

worddog2

NiKr wrote: »

worddog wrote: »

I'm okay with there not being visual progression as long as the game is fun but just food for thought you know.

Lore-wise there doesn't supposed to be any visual progression because we're preestablished people who're just moving into a new location. We're not just noname peasants getting born here.

Players could always just shit on anyone who has a store-bought cosmetic instead of an earned one. It's toxic as hell and wouldn't really change anything, but it might deter some people from wearing them.

My problem is just not even knowing its a cash shop cosmetic. Like if I'm not browsing through the shop I just wouldn't even know. If there was something that told other players it was from the cash shop in game I'd like that a lot.

Ludullu

worddog wrote: »

My problem is just not even knowing its a cash shop cosmetic. Like if I'm not browsing through the shop I just wouldn't even know. If there was something that told other players it was from the cash shop in game I'd like that a lot.

They could implement some kind of indicator on the player's nameplate (that's gonna be the "inspection" alternative), but I feel like they won't exactly because of the things I mentioned. The toxicity would be way higher than if players had to know which cosmetics were store-bought.

Noaani

Without reading a word of text in this thread other than the title: no.

SirChancelot

Noaani wrote: »

Without reading a word of text in this thread other than the title: no.

Agreed

I'm gonna find a couple of looks I like and stick to those, no matter what gear I get.

Hinotori

Visual progression of other players doesn't matter imo. My own visual progression is the only thing I'll focus on because its my character and I want them to look their best according to my own feeling and taste because I'm using the character to interact with the world. So it's the only one I care about.

akabear

I would definately want some visual distinction between grades of players, class of players and gear level of players.. how else can you pvp with any competency if you need to wait to be hit to see what you are facing!

Dygz

I don't really care about visual progression.
I prefer my characters to have a signature look - similar to Superman, Batman and Gandalf.
Primarily, I just want to quickly have a uniquely reconizable outfit - and keep that forever.
Changing outfits is mostly for parties and events.

CROW3

No, because ‘visual progression’ isn’t progression.

Especially when there’s an xmog system: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Appearance_slots

Summpwner

I think what they mean by saying the MTX aren't better is that there will be reskins available in-game. It'll still be apparent to interest parties that "omg they have the blue one!" but most people won't notice or care after the game is launched and explored.

worddog2

CROW3 wrote: »

No, because ‘visual progression’ isn’t progression.

Especially when there’s an xmog system: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Appearance_slots

Yeah I assumed appearance just wouldn't really matter much in the game and that's fine if everything else they're working on turns out good.

worddog2

Summpwner wrote: »

I think what they mean by saying the MTX aren't better is that there will be reskins available in-game. It'll still be apparent to interest parties that "omg they have the blue one!" but most people won't notice or care after the game is launched and explored.

If there are reskins than I'm totally happy with that. I just assumed when they said exclusive they meant that.

Tyranthraxus

Visual progression should be an *option*; Any complaint about cash shops ruining your levelling experience by seeing other people in really cool stuff just doesn't resonate, with me.

It's like going to a concert: You - as a member of the crowd - know about what to expect from the experience, and you get there at the same time as everyone else. However? Some people have really cool swag and outfits and jackets that have been customized or that you can tell they spent some money on. This doesn't mean they're any less/more of a fan, does it?

No. Some people just arrive from a background that provided them a chance to look better. Won't there be upper-classmen accompanying the Return? Won't there be people whose "backgrounds" might include coming from a royal court, or a pre-existing faction/group that held sway/influence on Sanctus?

They don't start with any inherent advantage - they just look better than you do. You should be able to play and progress and it'll be cool to see how your looted/reward gear will grow and change and evolve as you reach higher levels - but you shouldn't be able to enforce this for other players.

I'd rather see your armor/outfit creation, rather than whatever default-colored mis-match of armor lies underneath.

worddog2

Tyranthraxus wrote: »

Visual progression should be an *option*; Any complaint about cash shops ruining your levelling experience by seeing other people in really cool stuff just doesn't resonate, with me.

It's like going to a concert: You - as a member of the crowd - know about what to expect from the experience, and you get there at the same time as everyone else. However? Some people have really cool swag and outfits and jackets that have been customized or that you can tell they spent some money on. This doesn't mean they're any less/more of a fan, does it?

No. Some people just arrive from a background that provided them a chance to look better. Won't there be upper-classmen accompanying the Return? Won't there be people whose "backgrounds" might include coming from a royal court, or a pre-existing faction/group that held sway/influence on Sanctus?

They don't start with any inherent advantage - they just look better than you do. You should be able to play and progress and it'll be cool to see how your looted/reward gear will grow and change and evolve as you reach higher levels - but you shouldn't be able to enforce this for other players.

I'd rather see your armor/outfit creation, rather than whatever default-colored mis-match of armor lies underneath.

The problem is that paying real money to look good isn't interesting. If every character I see looks like the main character than I just won't care what anyone looks like anymore. If everyone looks special no one looks special. And I think that takes away from people who actually earn cool looking gear through their achievements in the world.

Summpwner

worddog wrote: »

Summpwner wrote: »

I just assumed when they said exclusive they meant that.

The color will be exclusive, so I and they wouldn't say that in that event that they had lied.

worddog2

Summpwner wrote: »

The color will be exclusive, so I and they wouldn't say that in that event that they had lied.

All I see on their shop is them saying the cosmetics are only available through the monthly packs. I don't see where they say reskins will be available.

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