Don't ban people who exploit.

Take their stuff away sure but I hate the idea of being punished for a developers mistake.

Cheaters no remorse, but people using bugs to their advantage? That shouldn't be ban worthy. Just take away anything they got from abusing the bug.

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ClintHardwood

I disagree. Ban exploiters or else you end up with a New World fiasco, where everyone abuses every bug as soon as it comes up and tanks the economy altogether.

worddog2

ClintHardwood wrote: »

I disagree. Ban exploiters or else you end up with a New World fiasco, where everyone abuses every bug as soon as it comes up and tanks the economy altogether.

The economy would still be broken even after you banned them. You need to make sure on launch that there are no massive bugs like that. That is the point of permanent alpha and beta so we can make sure that stuff isn't possible.

Btw exploiters are literally your best QA team and they do it for free.

Noaani

worddog wrote: »

Take their stuff away sure but I hate the idea of being punished for a developers mistake.

It isnt a developer mistake that people get banned for.

Let's take one specific exploit. A game that gives players a specific currency, along with experience, when they kill another player. The exploit is in a specific method for attacking a player counting as a kill for experience and currency if the characters HP went below zero, but not actually killing the character, and thus not administering any of the other effects associated with killing players.

Now, if you see this and attack a few players subject to this issue, you are probably not going to be punished. Especially true if you report it.

On the other hand, if you and 20 of your friends all spend hours upon hours attacking one player and tracking up years worth of kills (and thus this currency) in a day, then you probably will have some form of action taken against you.

The thing is, you cant really blame the developer here. You could in the first scenario, but that player isnt going to get banned. It's the second player that will get banned, and there is no argument you could make that would lead a reasonable person to think that these players didnt know full well they were exploiting.

Strevi

worddog wrote: »

Take their stuff away sure but I hate the idea of being punished for a developers mistake.

Cheaters no remorse, but people using bugs to their advantage? That shouldn't be ban worthy. Just take away anything they got from abusing the bug.

You like to create many controversial threads.

Tryol

Cheaters are just exploiters who can code.
Exploiters are not your "QA" team.
If it's intentional, ban (or punish depending on severity).

Veeshan

here my take on banning people

if it clearly an exploit like gold dupe (purposely doing it), or you fouind a way to be invincable and u run around murdering people and so on thats a ban either perma or for X days depending on severity
If it could be accidentlal and they report it there fine (remove anythign they gained via that ofcourse)

Sathrago

Someone labeled an exploiter is someone who intentionally uses a bug or mechanic in order to expedite an advantage that was not intended to a large degree. An example of an exploiter vs someone being smart about how they play the game.

An exploiter finds out how to bug specific mobs into a wall or terrain objects making them unable to attack but still killable and or lootable. They then proceed to do this over and over to gain an advantage.

A player being smart might find out that a certain area has a higher spawn rate of mobs so they farm that location because it's optimal.

Both examples provide an advantage to the player, only one requires playing the game not as intended.

Nerror

Sathrago wrote: »

Someone labeled an exploiter is someone who intentionally uses a bug or mechanic in order to expedite an advantage that was not intended to a large degree. An example of an exploiter vs someone being smart about how they play the game.

An exploiter finds out how to bug specific mobs into a wall or terrain objects making them unable to attack but still killable and or lootable. They then proceed to do this over and over to gain an advantage.

A player being smart might find out that a certain area has a higher spawn rate of mobs so they farm that location because it's optimal.

Both examples provide an advantage to the player, only one requires playing the game not as intended.

This. Ban exploiters (depending on severity and/or repeat offenses).

akabear

Exploiters pretty much decimated NW. Do not want to see again! Happy to see those that exploit penalized up to banned! Set the ground rules and expectations up front, and just perhaps there will be less that take advantage

Myosotys

worddog wrote: »

Take their stuff away sure but I hate the idea of being punished for a developers mistake.

Cheaters no remorse, but people using bugs to their advantage? That shouldn't be ban worthy. Just take away anything they got from abusing the bug.

Are you trolling ? Exploit = cheating. The players who whill exploit deserves permaban or at least resert char lvl 1 as a warning and permaban the second time.

prymortal

I Agree with permabanning exploiters, I know people who exploited knowingly & they keep looking for new ways to do it till they get banned (they also buy gold & Scripts) - One guild planning to play AOC on NA is well known for this & making there members so this! in AA, BDO & Bless online, among others.
But at the same time In certain MMOs (FFXIV/BDO/NW) players including myself likely have been given items by moving potions before without noticing at the time. So didn't intentionally exploit, yet an exploit was used. Does it justify a permaban? People say Well if you got items you should of reported it, but once again didn't know. So there are situations like that out there.

That is why server logs are good, can check who, what, when, why, how & how much, Also who they gave them to when devs became aware of the issue (because that always happens) so they can remove them. repeat use & in high amounts for sure permaban because guarantee is it was goldsellers & people who will keep using them, including buying gold/scripts.

Myosotys

I hope they gonna be mobs enough strong everywhere to kill bots. I already stopped New World because of bots (between other reasons).
I hope that in AOC, monthly fee will stop a large % of the bots.

TheHiddenDaggerInn

worddog wrote: »

Take their stuff away sure but I hate the idea of being punished for a developers mistake.

Cheaters no remorse, but people using bugs to their advantage? That shouldn't be ban worthy. Just take away anything they got from abusing the bug.

This is a joke right? You must be trolling. AT some point people need to take some responsibility for themselves, if what your're doing looks like shit, smells like shit, and taste like shit, it probably is shit and you shouldn't do it.

Don't jump on the bandwagon of people doing it because you think you're missing out, you know it's wrong and you know it's harming the game so why do it? You think cheating the game made you better somehow?

Personally I hope the ban every cheater, hacker, RMT, Botter, and hang their char in the towns for all to see!!
I'm so tired of So called "Gamers" Ruining games and blaming it on the devs because of a oversight. people are human, we make mistakes, you develop something without any codes mistakes and let me know how it works out!

SirChancelot

Yes, but actually no
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Why shouldn't someone intentionally exploring a bug get penalized for it?

tautau

If you exploit a bug, then you are cheating and should get a perma-ban.

If that is the policy, far less people will exploit, and we will have a significantly better game.

It is unreasonable to expect programmers to get the game perfect. They will do a good job with the game, but perfection is beyond human capability. Noone who posts on this board is perfect in all they do or in how they do their job. Blaming it on the programmers is just a weakass excuse for cheating.

Perma ban exploiters.

insomnia

Yes they should punish people who exploit bugs. There is a difference between doing it on purpose and by accident.
I remember back in wow Legion. Apparently there was a bug so you could do a world quest over and over. Some people accidently did it one extra time, assuming it was just a new WQ. But others really did exploit it. I think they punished those that did do it multiple time.
I can only assume OP is someone that exploits in games

WarRath

This is one of the more absurb comments I have ever heard. Dont punish players for abusing exploits and potentially ruining the game for everyone in else. In the ARMYT we refer to this mentality as BLUE FALCON. If were up to me BLUE FALCON get blanket parties.

AntVictus

Nope just ban them. If it's worse than normal then ban them and blacklist their payment option. There's a whole list of things they could do, but definitely ban them unless they found it and instantly reported it after.

Depraved

WarRath wrote: »

This is one of the more absurb comments I have ever heard. Dont punish players for abusing exploits and potentially ruining the game for everyone in else. In the ARMYT we refer to this mentality as BLUE FALCON. If were up to me BLUE FALCON get blanket parties.

what is a blanket party? XD

Summpwner

I don't understand how this is even a point of discussion...

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