Hybrid Combat system

Hello AoC team and community,

I wanted to ask what made you go into the way of hybrid combat system instead of pure action base or tab targeting, please dont get me wrong i am just curious not against it and i like the idea of hybrid combat. I just really want to understand why you choose to use such hybrid system.

Thank you in advance!

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Denn1B01

Check the video from Narc:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MpDAy1Mdno"]https://youtube.com/watch?v=0MpDAy1Mdno
He describes it very well.

Caww

it could turn out to be the best of both forms with little downside depending on the final implementation

Beyolf

Denn1B01 wrote: »

Check the video from Narc:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MpDAy1Mdno"]https://youtube.com/watch?v=0MpDAy1Mdno
He describes it very well.

thank you for your response, i already watched his video and i am very well aware of Narc's position of this. I am more interested in reading AoC's developers reasoning.

Beyolf

Caww wrote: »

it could turn out to be the best of both forms with little downside depending on the final implementation

true , GW2 has quite good hybrid system in my opinion and it looks like AoC's developers want to expand that system so such system definitely has potential, i am just interested in their reasoning if it was ever communicated.

Mag7spy

Narc saying range should be just tab target is not what i agree with lmao.

Beyolf

Mag7spy wrote: »

Narc saying range should be just tab target is not what i agree with lmao.

yea i also disagree with some of Narc's opinions and thats the reason i asked if there is a explanation from AoC's developers. I am very interested to read their reasons to choose to go into hybrid system.

Liniker

Beyolf wrote: »

yea i also disagree with some of Narc's opinions and thats the reason i asked if there is a explanation from AoC's developers.

It's the same reason as for why it's a pvp centric game, why you can't change your primary class, why there is no hot bikini armor like in other korean games

because Intrepid want it that way, it's Steven's vision, the guy is making the game he wants to play, and in that game, we have hybrid combat, not action combat, and not full tab combat.

Lust69

Is it possible to use both when it’s appropriate rather than choosing one over the other?

Mag7spy

Lust69 wrote: »

Is it possible to use both when it’s appropriate rather than choosing one over the other?

It's decided with the skill and how you level up and augment it, you can't just swap at a moment's notice.

Beyolf

Liniker wrote: »

Beyolf wrote: »

yea i also disagree with some of Narc's opinions and thats the reason i asked if there is a explanation from AoC's developers.

It's the same reason as for why it's a pvp centric game, why you can't change your primary class, why there is no hot bikini armor like in other korean games

I am not asking for such things so i dont know why you even brought them up, i am not against the hybrid combat either as i said above and i am very happy with the vision which Steven have so what is your point ?

I love that the game is no korean game and thats its pvp centric ... Thats why i am here not in korean mmo forums so again what is your point?

Liniker wrote: »

because Intrepid want it that way, it's Steven's vision, the guy is making the game he wants to play, and in that game, we have hybrid combat, not action combat, and not full tab combat.

So i am not allowed to ask for their reasoning? Ofcourse its their game and they can do what ever they want. I am just curious what is their logic behind using hybrid system whats the problem in that?

Depraved

Denn1B01 wrote: »

Check the video from Narc:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MpDAy1Mdno"]https://youtube.com/watch?v=0MpDAy1Mdno
He describes it very well.

narc misses very crucial points tho. tab target systems can be abused far more than action combat and he doesnt talk about that or how you can do it. all he says is that he doesnt wanna have to aim as an archer

Mag7spy

Depraved wrote: »

Denn1B01 wrote: »

Check the video from Narc:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MpDAy1Mdno"]https://youtube.com/watch?v=0MpDAy1Mdno
He describes it very well.

narc misses very crucial points tho. tab target systems can be abused far more than action combat and he doesnt talk about that or how you can do it. all he says is that he doesnt wanna have to aim as an archer

You don't need hardcore aiming for soft lock is the thing. It does require some sort of effort though in a much better immersive way compared to 0 effort and you click a button and turn to hit an enemy with tab.

Arya_Yeshe

AoC will come when people will be starving for stuff that is different than WoW and FF14

Mag7spy

Thing is people are already starving, that is why new world had 1 mill and everyone knew the combat was lack luster.

Beyolf

Mag7spy wrote: »

Thing is people are already starving, that is why new world had 1 mill and everyone knew the combat was lack luster.

Exactly

worddog2

Beyolf wrote: »

Hello AoC team and community,

I wanted to ask what made you go into the way of hybrid combat system instead of pure action base or tab targeting, please dont get me wrong i am just curious not against it and i like the idea of hybrid combat. I just really want to understand why you choose to use such hybrid system.

Thank you in advance!

As long as it feels good in competitive ranked arenas I'm happy.

SunMatrix

If ranged isnt tab target you have to give them big big damage to compensate for missing shots. Something like crit headshots so they can 2 shot you. Problem is the game becomes an fps and melee is junk. Tab target on ranged skills allows you to tone the damage down to be more in line with other skills.

I dont want the game to be fps gods destroying everyone in their path with no recourse.

Depraved

SunMatrix wrote: »

If ranged isnt tab target you have to give them big big damage to compensate for missing shots. Something like crit headshots so they can 2 shot you. Problem is the game becomes an fps and melee is junk. Tab target on ranged skills allows you to tone the damage down to be more in line with other skills.

I dont want the game to be fps gods destroying everyone in their path with no recourse.

you are somewhat correct but...tab targetting allows for a group of archers to just click you and then you die, and theres nothing you can do about it. i allows summoners to attack you with their pets while they can be in a completely different room. it allows for player scouting (if we have commands) and a lot of other things.

SunMatrix

Depraved wrote: »

it allows summoners to attack you with their pets while they can be in a completely different room.

I assume the summoner has to originally be within sightline to throw their pet at you. The game can be (and probably is) coded to not allow clicking people that your character cannot currently see. Also break targeting on sightline loss.

Also if youre solo vs a number of people that can one shot you with bows, you weren't gonna win anyways.

As for the scouting thing, idk maybe theres a hiding mechanic or camoflauge? idk how youd solve that. but as long as you got a tree or wall between you and the searcher they shouldnt be randomly finding you.

Depraved

SunMatrix wrote: »

Depraved wrote: »

it allows summoners to attack you with their pets while they can be in a completely different room.

I assume the summoner has to originally be within sightline to throw their pet at you. The game can be (and probably is) coded to not allow clicking people that your character cannot currently see. Also break targeting on sightline loss.

Also if youre solo vs a number of people that can one shot you with bows, you weren't gonna win anyways.

As for the scouting thing, idk maybe theres a hiding mechanic or camoflauge? idk how youd solve that. but as long as you got a tree or wall between you and the searcher they shouldnt be randomly finding you.

in tt you can target the othe rplayer, like maybe you are right outside the room they are in and they cant see you as they are fighting mobs, but you can see them. so you can target the player, go to another room, then send your summon. for tt to be fair, all these things and more need to be addressed.

you can survive archers in action combat by dodging the arrows...if you are in a siege or node wars or whatever mass pvp, tt makes melee even more useless

you stick your head out too much o sepparate from your mob and you die instantly, no chance at dodging or anything. just pure death. i suspect only tanks will be able to survive (and with heals of course). you try to flank, someone calls your name and you die, nothing you can do. action combat at least allows you to dodge and try to get close. you eventually will get hit but there will be others with you trying to get close to the archers as well. maybe the archers will have to run back a bit, or spread their fire.

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