Turn purple the gatheres who are stealing lumber

We loved the idea of land managent, good job devs!

I will give you a PVX idea, that is PVE friendly and PVP friendly, that is very short, simple and with rules everybody will understand and stick to it.

Such decisions should be made by the citizens and mayor for managing the land, they could prohibit gathering certain things.

If harvesting a certain thing is declared prohibited then anyone harvesting the thing should be turned purple for a number of minutes
mayor emergency actions would have 24 hours effect only and would have a big cooldown
citizens can vote on policies

Make the gatherer purple for a few minutes, the guy will have fun by sneaking around, snatching stuff and walking away scot-free if no one stops him. No repercussions on this gatherer who is snatching prohibited stuff and in a few minutes he is green again, let him escape with the reward.

On the other hand this gatherer will be purple for a few minutes and people can stop him from hurting the fauna and flora, a lot of PVP tree hugging hippies will be out there protecting our forests, those selfless men looking for mother nature!

This system is simple, fun and engaging for both parties.
It will be also helpful for the little guys and for the big guilds looking for resource wars.

EDIT: NO CHANGES IN THE GREEN/CORRUPTED interactions when it's allowed to gather stuff then let the show go on as it is propsed now

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Arya_Yeshe

Obviously the thread's subject is "stealing lumber" as a satire refering to the last video, but this would work for any resource, this system is:

simple, everybody understands this
player content driven
PVE
PVP
fun
fixes a chunk of griefing
fits guild wars
fits node wars

Noaani

So, basically what Nerror was talking about in the other thread, just a little less coherent, a little less detailed, and a little more arrogantly posted.

Arya_Yeshe

Noaani wrote: »

So, basically what Nerror was talking about in the other thread, just a little less coherent, a little less detailed, and a little more arrogantly posted.

Yes!

In fact I didn't think he wanted the same as me, because he added so many intricacies, our ideas are almost the same.

My idea is more fluid and simpler.

Would be great hearing from the devs on this.

Arya_Yeshe

Let the PVE guys be scoundrels too while having no punishment!

Let them be sneaky and be smugglers, let them have fun with no consequences, they aren't hurting anybody anyway.

And people will be able to counter them while doing it, so if people can willingly do something and willingly counter it, then no griefing exists and both parties can have fun.

bloodprophet

The idea of punishing players for daring to move beyond their own node to pick a flower is very bad game play all around.

"Stay in your own node you F'ing scrubs!!!"

Arya_Yeshe

If big wars come up then the resource defenders have to be out there in the woods protecting stuff. No automatic punishments or defenses should exist in this.

I do not see as a good idea having automatic systems punishing people through XP or any kind of fines or corruptions.

Let people open and close the door when they want and have fun with it.

Arya_Yeshe

bloodprophet wrote: »

The idea of punishing players for daring to move beyond their own node to pick a flower is very bad game play all around.

"Stay in your own node you F'ing scrubs!!!"

I agree, that's why I a proposing this idea:
-if it's legal then gather everything freely
-if it's ilegal then be sneaky and gather, but you will get the purple flag for a few minutes

This way is super fine.

No automatic punishments, let the carebears step in and out the lines of PVE and PVP when they have the chance, AoC has this vision of being PvX that's why I see such system fitting well in AoC.

George_Black

Terrible.

Arya_Yeshe

George_Black wrote: »

Terrible.

George, why so?
I thought that you among of all would like this, care to explain?

bloodprophet

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

bloodprophet wrote: »

The idea of punishing players for daring to move beyond their own node to pick a flower is very bad game play all around.

"Stay in your own node you F'ing scrubs!!!"

I agree, that's why I a proposing this idea:
-if it's legal then gather everything freely
-if it's ilegal then be sneaky and gather, but you will get the purple flag for a few minutes

This way is super fine.

No automatic punishments, let the carebears step in and out the lines of PVE and PVP when they have the chance, AoC has this vision of being PvX that's why I see such system fitting well in AoC.

So every time you dare to step out of your node you either get a pop up detailing the message of the day from said new node you just entered or risk being punished by the secret police?

Arya_Yeshe

bloodprophet wrote: »

So every time you dare to step out of your node you either get a pop up detailing the message of the day from said new node you just entered or risk being punished by the secret police?

Well, did you watch the last video from a couple days ago?
Intrepid already stated that they will develop ways for dealing with poachers, over harvesting and such things.

They will do this thing, I just hope that they do it nicely
How they will show to you what is ok or not, that I can't fathom knowing this right now

If gathering everything is still legal, people will harvest everything as much as they want with their green
No changes there

bloodprophet

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

bloodprophet wrote: »

So every time you dare to step out of your node you either get a pop up detailing the message of the day from said new node you just entered or risk being punished by the secret police?

Well, did you watch the last video from a couple days ago?
Yes I just watched it.

Intrepid already stated that they will develop ways for dealing with poachers, over harvesting and such things.
Yep and as I said in the other thread this is a community concern not an Intrepid concern. Anything applied like your suggestion can and will be abused by the players. What happens if the mayor decides to make harvesting anything illegal?

They will do this thing, I just hope that they do it nicely
Agreed.

How they will show to you what is ok or not, that I can't fathom knowing this right now
Ideas?

If gathering everything is still legal, people will harvest everything as much as they way with their green
No changes there

Why should Intrepid allow players the opportunity to punish other players for playing the game based off of something arbitrary like picking a flower?

Imagine you and your party are traveling through a node heading to a dungeon that is not your node. You stop to pick a rare flower you need for a potion your trying to produce and now your flagged as a local group is passing by the other way. Why is the rest of your group now forced to PvP when they didn't want to or just sit and watch you die because you dare to pick the King's flower?
Mind you I am all for the PvX system as stated. However flagging people for random activities just because and over complicating things just cause some one might do something some time somewhere is foolish and scope creep.

Arya_Yeshe

@bloodprophet it doesn't seem you watched the last video, so I will sum it up:

There will be land deterioration and over harvesting will make things grow slower, stuff will spawn in a much slower rate and there will be scarcity, even animals will go live somewhere else.

So Intrepid will come up with policies so the mayors can deal with that in the land management system.

Go watch the video first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyXMxhUK_p8

DarkTides

Tree Hugger Guild 101

Slay all who chop down your trees

bloodprophet

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

@bloodprophet it doesn't seem you watched the last video, so I will sum it up:

There will be land deterioration and over harvesting will make things grow slower, stuff will spawn in a much slower rate and there will be scarcity, even animals will go live somewhere else.

So Intrepid will come up with policies so the mayors can deal with that in the land management system.

Go watch the video first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyXMxhUK_p8

I did watch it.

And?

Arya_Yeshe

bloodprophet wrote: »

I did watch it.

And?

And you are asking stuff here that were literally explained in the video

bloodprophet

No it wasn't. They said they would do a video or a post regarding this idea of land management.

I asked YOU. to clarify what you said. You gave the idea that anyone gathering outside their node should turn purple if the local mayor said so. I disagreed. All nodes should have the same basic rules. There should be no special rules of any kind just because.

Noaani

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

There will be land deterioration and over harvesting will make things grow slower, stuff will spawn in a much slower rate and there will be scarcity, even animals will go live somewhere else.

So Intrepid will come up with policies so the mayors can deal with that in the land management system.

I mean, it's just a bad idea from Intrepid, really.

Let's say they put this in place.

All I am going to do is get hundreds of players to strip-harvest everything in your node - I imagine it will take us maybe a few hours. Sure, we will all be "enemies if the state" or what ever, but there will be hundreds of us - come at me bro.

Now, you and your node are left with no resources, and it will take even longer before they respawn.

The concept of the system was to stop people being able to strip a node of resources, yet it allows players to do exactly that but with a slower respawn time. It is anti-productive.

The entire idea is predicated on the notion that gathering is a solo activity, and that players wont work together.

Essentially, it is the antithesis of an MMORPG.

Taleof2Cities

Didn’t the Livestream just get done saying you can chop down any tree anywhere?

Seems like there will be plenty of trees to go around folks.

Arya_Yeshe

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Didn’t the Livestream just get done saying you can chop down any tree anywhere?

Seems like there will be plenty of trees to go around folks.

In the end they explain the details, but its like this: if you over harvesting something that gathereable will spawn only after a longer period of time, even animals will go live elsewhere, the land will deteriorate and produce less

So policies could be activated for dealing with agressive poachers, over harvesting, etc

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