How many years you expect to play AoC?

What will make you stay and play longer than you played your previous MMOs?
Or what can Ashes of Creation do, to keep you longer than previous MMOs did?

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TheDarkSorcerer

If it turns out the way we are all expecting and hoping, i would guess 10-15+ years. I've been playing ESO consistently since 2014.

Vaknar

Amist wrote: »

Frequent content updates/patches and an active playerbase are my prerequisites for an enjoyable playing experience in MMO's

This is all I could ask for as a humble MMO gamer 🙏

Fantmx

As a lifetime sub, hopefully it is my final destination. But it is far to early to tell for sure.

Noaani

Vaknar wrote: »

Amist wrote: »

Frequent content updates/patches and an active playerbase are my prerequisites for an enjoyable playing experience in MMO's

This is all I could ask for as a humble MMO gamer 🙏

I mean, the game still needs to have good game design. Frequent updates are a bad thing if the developers are taking the game in a bad direction.

Sylvanar

Depends on:
- The level of griefing due to owPvP. While corruption system sounds ok, there are too many work arounds at the moment as stated by Lucky ghost in a recent video.

- How much of the world ends being controlled by large guilds i.e. If the only way to play the game is being part of a large guild. In other words, what opportunities are available for small guilds. Zerging is griefing, for me.

- How exploitable the game mechanics end up being.

These questions need to be answered post release for answers to have a meaningful weight to them. The game is looking good so far. On mere speculation, anywhere from 1 month (minimum subscription time) to however long life permits or the next best things crops up.

Amist

Noaani wrote: »

Vaknar wrote: »

Amist wrote: »

Frequent content updates/patches and an active playerbase are my prerequisites for an enjoyable playing experience in MMO's

This is all I could ask for as a humble MMO gamer 🙏

I mean, the game still needs to have good game design. Frequent updates are a bad thing if the developers are taking the game in a bad direction.

Of course the game systems need to be enjoyable! I suppose the question I was answering was the one in regards to what would keep me around for longer but I do think that ties into the active player base and whether or not I find the game enjoyable personally

Dezemi

I am definitely a loyal player to the MMOs that hook me. I played WoW since launch (with a few breaks here and there) and stopped permanently around spring this year. I also played GW2 from BETA (but with long periods of inactive time inbetween) - still playing it while waiting for something else to scratch my MMORPG-scratch.

I am the very definition of a PvX player, I love doing both PvE and PvP content at the highest levels (although less so now as I got a son that is now 3 months

).

The most important aspects to me are the following:
* Since the game runs with a strong PvP based gameplay, it will have to have very frequent PvP balance patches that is done by experienced PvP players. GW2 is failing big time at this, same professions (classes) and specs have been on top for years and years.
* The endless PvE system (aka, the skill based difficulty) needs to feel rewarding enough for players to keep pushing. Remember that PvE also needs a lot of tuning to be fun and not have the same metabuilds run year in and year out!
* The node system got mad potential, but I can't help worry about the monopoly. In BDO, the entire game eventually became "join the big forces, or die". While I get that AoC is supposed to be a player-driven system that want to encourage/force player interaction, remember that the lone wolves are also a part of the player community. Be careful so that entire servers do not end up in the hold of community tyrants and unholy alliances.
* Be careful with the cosmetic shop. If players feel like they have to pay to look fancy in a game that already is PayToPlay, then you'll lose out on a lot of players.
* Loads of open world events and secrets! Add rare spawns with fun loot, events and other things to make sure players constantly discover fun things as they proceed. c:

That's the most important stuff, I suppose. Other than that, I'd also like to mention:

* When it comes to PvP, so make sure to balance out the open world ganking by making sure the bounty system rewards the right players! Don't make the mistake of having it being killing-blow based only! c:
* Auto loot is GOOD! Either copy Aion and/or BDO and makes pet pickup loot - but please make sure that auto-loot is a thing. x.x

EDIT: caught on to some new info so I updated it. c: All fingers crossed for AoC to be successful!

Mastru

Well first I have to try the alpha 2 to see if the game lives up to my expectations. If it does I plan to keep playing for many years as long as I keep enjoying it.

Any type of P2W or P2C will immediately cause me to stop playing the game. Same thing if they go back on their word of addons like dps meters etc.

Mastru

Sylvanar wrote: »

Depends on:
- The level of griefing due to owPvP. While corruption system sounds ok, there are too many work arounds at the moment as stated by Lucky ghost in a recent video.

I skimmed through his video the first thing about 82% of his subscribers not wanting to play AOC based on a false stated question is inherently wrong. It's not "FORCED ALWAYS ON PVP" there's a lot of ways to interpret that. It doesn't explain the corruption system at all. It probably makes a lot of players to think that anyone can just kill you at any time with no repercussions.

He claims steven just copypasted the system from 2003 without any changes. This is false, as there is a stats debuff per PK score/corruption as well as the chance to drop items below 3 pks and starting instantly on your first kill. Also 4x death penalty and no ability to trade items when corrupted.

Continuing to view his video is just a barrage of him making uninformed statements or outright lies. I say this as someone who played Lineage 2 as my first mmo and played it for many years throught prelude to C4 then many years of playing on private servers after that.

VekoKrava

Azherae wrote: »

VekoCrnogorac wrote: »

This game will have huge problems because of hard core PVP players. Every MMO with systems similar to AoC failed. They will optimize fun for everyone else, and most people that are not into PVP won't bother with 80% of PVE bosses and dungeons that are in open world, these PVP players will camp these areas for their fun, this game is PVP game, don't let them lie to you.

While it definitely SOUNDS like that right now, most games that could be good PvX would sound like that when you explain them at first.

That's why people want to test how Corruption will work. Lineage sounds like it will just be PvP all the time but apparently isn't. BDO definitely sounds like it should have lots of PvP but it doesn't.

It's usually just that very specific types of players get really 'hype' about their PvP options before the designers explain all the ways why their playstyles won't work.

Of course there won't be full time open world PvP in areas that are not important, but what about PvE areas and high profitable crafting areas, if I fight vs 1 guy I would be totally fine with that, but you will see, there will be hard core PVP guilds that will dominate server, 5-6 guilds and it will be total mess around those areas only, I am not speaking for whole open world, only on those specific areas will be a mess.

Azherae

Oh, like that, sure.

I think the Director intends for that to happen, though, so we're probably not getting away from that style of play.

Iskiab

I usually play a MMO until whatever guild I'm in folds up. A couple times they folded and I stuck around, but not usually.

Iffithy

If asked a few months ago I would have said a looooooong time. But as it stands now prob until my 9 month of sub time are up.

DeadlyDave

I'll give it 12 months before i quit. (Whether it's good or bad)
7 days a week, 2 to 18 hours a day; Depending on how good it is

Hopefully ill be playing for many years.

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