Free PK, corruption & night in game

While browsing the gameplay of another game in development that you will probably recognize, I discovered an interesting idea:

Make free pk possible only at night. There are several ways to integrate and adapt this idea in Ashes of Creation:

- Less corruption for the killer during the night (everywhere except in the nodes)
- No corruption at all during the night for the killer (everywhere except in nodes)
- Select only areas known to be insecure at night. Reduce or remove corruption in these areas.

Some elements (graphics only or messages) should help the player not to get trapped by warning him that night is falling or will fall soon.

EDIT : I specify that it would not be a question of favoring the FPK as if the punishments in corruption are lowered the night, they would be consequently increased the day.

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Strevi

I would prefer the 3rd option but with those areas to happen only sometime, not every night. Being less frequent would allow also to happen during day.
However, such a mechanic would be more useful in a full PvE environment. AoC has already quite a lot of PvP...

Mag7spy

Why are we copying Throne and liberty, let AoC do what Aoc does.

Myosotys

Mag7spy wrote: »

Why are we copying Throne and liberty, let AoC do what Aoc does.

Fortunately, "getting inspired" is not "copying". Otherwise AOC would already be a copy...

Mag7spy

That isn't' really inspired that is just straight coping TL. AoC has free pk zones based on types of content, free pk during the night would have them changed their night cycles, the lengths and type of content that happens around night in order to avoid longer periods of griefing.

I get you want to kill everyone free, energy is better spent on advocating guild vrs guild open pvp to not potentially to be limited....since we don't know much about it.

Solvryn

The Seas are for outlaws, there will be no corruption where the Laws aren’t enforced.

Strevi

Solvryn wrote: »

The Seas are for outlaws, there will be no corruption where the Laws aren’t enforced.

The seas will have small islands too...
I wonder if they will have autoflag too.

Depraved

this sounds like a good and a bad idea at the same time.

it would be funny seeing all the gatherers just run like crazy back to safety in a mass exodus when the night is coming and afking for 1 hour hahaha

Azherae

By the time this is even worth considering, Ashes would have all the data from all the reactions of TL players, to make any decision.

They probably shouldn't say anything about it before then, even if they're already considering it.

As for my opinion, I don't know enough about the game flow intention of Ashes yet to say if any of these would be good, but I generally like the idea because it's such a clear marker of 'risk of unfair PvP has increased'.

I think 'no corruption' would be bad. In fact I'd go for a flat decrease rather than a divider because it wouldn't be immersive to me for high levels to be able to gank lowbies without corruption just because it got dark. I believe THAT behaviour should ALWAYS be discouraged.

But I'd take anything to the effect of 'the corruption gained by killing a noncombatant of your own level is negated at night'.

I'll probably have more of an opinion on this after a few months of TL.

TheWolfofGar

Personally I'm not in favor of this, there is already no penalty for consensual pvp, all you're asking is for the ability to grief people at night. I understand the idea from a "the night is dangerous" perspective however, if you want the night to be dangerous you need to align it with the core pillar of risk vs reward, what is the reward the comes along with the added risk of less restricted pvp during the night?

A different tactic to lean into the risk vs reward aspect would be to tune up mob spawns and increase the loot tables at night. This would increase the competition between players at night leading to more player vs player friction which results in consensual pvp.

If all you want is to be able to gank people after 8pm because the night should be dangerous. I think that's simply not a good enough reason.

Ludullu

No.

If you want to promote player killing during the night then give guild wars better rewards for actions they take during the night or create "night raids" for node wars that could then help during a node siege (if the war leads to that), or make enemies of the state show up on the citizens' maps during the night so that it's much more dangerous for them to move in said node.

In other words, boost literally all the other pvp-centric systems instead of making the biggest deterrent to the majority of players EVEN FUCKING WORSE.

Dolyem

TheWolfofGar wrote: »

Personally I'm not in favor of this, there is already no penalty for consensual pvp, all you're asking is for the ability to grief people at night. I understand the idea from a "the night is dangerous" perspective however, if you want the night to be dangerous you need to align it with the core pillar of risk vs reward, what is the reward the comes along with the added risk of less restricted pvp during the night?

A different tactic to lean into the risk vs reward aspect would be to tune up mob spawns and increase the loot tables at night. This would increase the competition between players at night leading to more player vs player friction which results in consensual pvp.

If all you want is to be able to gank people after 8pm because the night should be dangerous. I think that's simply not a good enough reason.

All PvP is consensual if you choose to log in. That being said, I'm indifferent to this idea. It's not really needed when the open Seas are PVP territory, but it could be an interesting weekly event in a single random node to shake things up. Keeps player interactions up and fresh. And it'd be as simple as avoiding that area if you don't wish to participate.

Depraved

TheWolfofGar wrote: »

Personally I'm not in favor of this, there is already no penalty for consensual pvp, all you're asking is for the ability to grief people at night. I understand the idea from a "the night is dangerous" perspective however, if you want the night to be dangerous you need to align it with the core pillar of risk vs reward, what is the reward the comes along with the added risk of less restricted pvp during the night?

A different tactic to lean into the risk vs reward aspect would be to tune up mob spawns and increase the loot tables at night. This would increase the competition between players at night leading to more player vs player friction which results in consensual pvp.

If all you want is to be able to gank people after 8pm because the night should be dangerous. I think that's simply not a good enough reason.

the reward would be to get tons of materials from players and bots

Arya_Yeshe

I think AoC has bigger worries to deal with

Arya_Yeshe

Solvryn wrote: »

The Seas are for outlaws, there will be no corruption where the Laws aren’t enforced.

This is just prejudice against the entire AoC universe, the seas will have all kinds of sailors and people in general

Myosotys

You understand

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

I think AoC has bigger worries to deal with

I think you despise my suggestion on principle or maybe just because you are embittered. I have not found in your suggestions made in the past, anything that is genius and deserves more attention than mine.
You are free to express your disagreement, but you are not a staff member to define the priorities of the game development. Are you ?

Strevi

The main advantage of the OP suggestion is variation.
Having one fixed corruption mechanic which can be studied by players is boring.
I would prefer fluctuations caused by clouds of corruption moving over the land originating from
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Corrupted_areas
Players could fight against those areas and reduce and stop this effect.

Coracao

NiKr wrote: »

No.

If you want to promote player killing during the night then give guild wars better rewards for actions they take during the night or create "night raids" for node wars that could then help during a node siege (if the war leads to that), or make enemies of the state show up on the citizens' maps during the night so that it's much more dangerous for them to move in said node.

In other words, boost literally all the other pvp-centric systems instead of making the biggest deterrent to the majority of players EVEN FUCKING WORSE.

One does not prevent the other and one should not make a too quick shortcut between lowering corruption and griefing promotion. I am totally against griefing and I still believe that the best way to limit griefing is to produce quality content.

If corruption is extremely punitive and there is no interesting story for high level players, they will anyway engage in childish griefing activities and then leave the game when they get tired of it.

It seems to be a good idea to limit corruption at night. It is less obvious to recognize someone at night. Also night is the time of sins, highwaymen, crime and death.

TheWolfofGar

Depraved wrote: »

the reward would be to get tons of materials from players and bots

That may be the reward you would get were you to actually find people, however if there is no added reward for the people gathering mats, why would I go out at night? I can gather all day at far less risk, and swap to an alt to craft or work on my freehold or do something in town etc. through the night. What is my incentive to expose myself to being ganked at no cost? The open oceans are open pvp because Steven specifically wants them to be a high risk high reward area. If you want something similar you'd need to tune up the rewards sufficiently otherwise all you would run into is people hoping to pvp, which you both could do at any time regardless by flagging purp.

Dygz

Dolyem wrote: »

All PvP is consensual if you choose to log in. That being said, I'm indifferent to this idea. It's not really needed when the open Seas are PVP territory, but it could be an interesting weekly event in a single random node to shake things up. Keeps player interactions up and fresh. And it'd be as simple as avoiding that area if you don't wish to participate.

That is true for a PvP-centric game, so...
Probably doesn't matter how much more PvP the devs add at this point - Ashes has already jumped the shark for players who typically don't play on PvP servers when they play MMORPGs.

Gui10

Myosotys wrote: »

While browsing the gameplay of another game in development that you will probably recognize, I discovered an interesting idea:

Make free pk possible only at night. There are several ways to integrate and adapt this idea in Ashes of Creation:

- Less corruption for the killer during the night (everywhere except in the nodes)
- No corruption at all during the night for the killer (everywhere except in nodes)
- Select only areas known to be insecure at night. Reduce or remove corruption in these areas.

Some elements (graphics only or messages) should help the player not to get trapped by warning him that night is falling or will fall soon.

It's an interesting idea! I would be for it.

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